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marinettejoe
#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:28:08 AM(UTC)
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I had a long discussion with the NMEA director - More later

Doesn't seem to understand that hobbyists would want to build their own electronics.

A bit upset.... but patience and common sense wins out in the end.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2008 2:19:58 AM(UTC)
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Don't forget that NMEA is an industry group, and that its staff is paid from membership fees. They aren't in the business of providing help to civilians. I don't remember what the company I worked for paid, but the figure $450/yr sticks in my mind....and we paid it to get a leg up on hobbyists...


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#4 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2008 3:45:09 PM(UTC)
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NMEA is a trade organization for the marine electronics industry. The majority of its members are marine electronics dealers and installers. They have no incentive to work with hobbyists.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:44:42 PM(UTC)
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I fully understand dougrose's comment that NMEA's staff want to maintain the gravy train that supports their life styles, but other similar organisations like CanOpen, who are in the same situation (I was going to say boat), publish their standards for free to anyone who is interested.

The more people who understand the details of NMEA 2000 so the quicker it will get adopted. Potential customers will have far more confidence in adopting NMEA 2000 knowing that there will be plenty of people out there who can sort out the problems and give impartial advice. Informed amateurs have a part to play in this.

It will also mean more customer choice, with new products and software coming from smaller suppliers and individuals.

This does not of course suit the 'diminishing' number of major suppliers who have a lucrative foot in the proprietary camp and a luke warm toe in the open standard's camp. They no doubt influence NMEA's views significantly.
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#6 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2008 1:21:08 AM(UTC)
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dougrose's comment 'They aren't in the business of providing help to civilians' losses sight that the vast majority of customers for NMEA products are going to be civilians.

He is portraying the typical attitude to customer service from larger organizations.
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#3 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2008 2:59:10 AM(UTC)
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dougrose wrote:
Don't forget that NMEA is an industry group, and that its staff is paid from membership fees. They aren't in the business of providing help to civilians. I don't remember what the company I worked for paid, but the figure $450/yr sticks in my mind....and we paid it to get a leg up on hobbyists...


True, but I am a member. Paid the dues.
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#7 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2008 3:54:00 AM(UTC)
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If you are a member, then there is no excuse. They exist to serve the membership, hobbyist or not.


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#8 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2008 4:38:21 AM(UTC)
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dougrose wrote:
If you are a member, then there is no excuse. They exist to serve the membership, hobbyist or not.


I have some understanding of their viewpoint. Well, we are working on increasing their understanding. Patience and reason wins out. SmartCraft really can't win out over NMEA if there is a strong open source effort supporting NMEA. The cost of maintaining a closed proprietary stack will force the issue as gain rarely wins against known costs. (Pay 30-90 engineers or use something near free.)

Generally speaking hobbyists push the boundaries of a technology for a manufacturer (e.g. ICOM - Pactor III), but generally are less of a threat. Products require mature capabilities (Redhat sells licenses to free linux and makes money on services based the software distro.)

I will be FOIAing the USCG notes.
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#10 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2008 12:44:51 PM(UTC)
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I feel that such a lack of understanding plays into the proprietary protocol hands.
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marinettejoe wrote:
I will be FOIAing the USCG notes.


Huh? What USCG notes?
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#11 Posted : Saturday, February 02, 2008 7:32:06 AM(UTC)
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The USCG R&D labs, Kansas State and OKState spent serious effort toward the NMEA2000 standards. I assume that we as taxpayers paid for that R&D.
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