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Docsnow
#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:59:52 AM(UTC)
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Here’s a question to the Sparky’s out there in BigM land.I have some non-tinned # 4 wire I’d like to use from my battery’s to a terminal block than #12 from block to the down riggers (which the riggers come with) to the terminal block to gain optima power so my down riggers can scream on the way up. Now my question is I’m trying to save a buck or two on AWG marine wire (el-Cheapo) struck again d'oh! I was wondering how far back I’d have to strip the non-tinned # 4 wire than tin coat them than shrink wrap well the wire add a connection to the wire so as to fit terminal block. so as not to get corrosion as would normally occur with none marine AWG wire. Is this a hair brain idea Whistle or is it conceivable or should spend the $80 to $100 on the proper wire & doing it right. Open to all opinions Pro & Con Anxious

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:21:39 AM(UTC)
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I would just tin the ends for normal connection, tape or srink-wrap, and don't worry about it. The reason tinned is specified is corrosion, not a real problem where we are. My 2 cents.

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#3 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:15:21 AM(UTC)
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My 1970 came from the factory with non tin and most is a ok still. I would use regular wire and use the liquid tape on the conections and you will be fine.

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#4 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:53:39 AM(UTC)
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Roger & Mike,

Thanks for the advice guys I was sortta thinking along them same lines but thought I'd inquire before I went thru a lot of work for nuttin Whistle

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#5 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:01:06 AM(UTC)
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Mike,
I was thinking mine is mostly wired with non tinned also, but wanted to look before I made that statement. I know a bilge pump I added aft by rudders is non tinned.

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:56:22 PM(UTC)
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I've had good success using crimp connectors filled with dielectric grease. Fill the connector --- crimp --- liquid tape -- shrink tape or tube. I've found this to be better than solder connections. The car manufactures do not solder any connections because of the damage the solder and flux do to the wire. Non tinned wire works fine and will last if connected properly. Tinned wire is of course a little better.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:17:36 PM(UTC)
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Marine grade wire usually has more strands, to enhance flexibility, as well as the tinning. A Marine friend that worked on choppers said that tinning, in the USMC, was verboeten. Theory being that tinning stiffens the wire and causes thw wires to break where the non-tinned meets the tinned wire.

That said I've done what Doc is considering but I only tinned back as far as the crimp on connector. I used some marine grade on my long runs but THHN elsewhere our wires are stiffer and, I think, less likely to work themselves to a stress break. (Now Doc behave, I know what you might make out of that last sentence) Supporting the wire close to the terminal will also reduce the wire motion that would lead to the strands breaking.

Check out DelCity for wire prices, their website is a bit difficult but prices reasonable and shipping is from Wisconsin.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:36:32 AM(UTC)
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Stress only occur when one lets the alcohol level get below normal Brick wall Yup Delcity is where I got the
prices from thanks for the heads up. Guess I’ll go ahead & use the # 4 wire that I have with the tips tinned at connecting points from the Battery’s to the block. Thanks to all Applause

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Crimping wire ends has changed in the past few years. Crimp fittings can now be purchased pre-loaded with dielectric compound. So many people want to add high powered sound amplifiers to their boats that require 4 gauge wire for power supply. Getting a good crimp connection on this size wire usually means having a crimper that can be squeezed in a vice or pounded with a hammer. Usually, I let the supplier crimp the ends on the wire, but it makes for a little messier installation because the length of the wire is not down to the inch -- sometimes off by a foot or more, and hopefully too long.

Recently, Harbor Freight had a hydraulic crimper on sale for $50 that could crimp 0 to 8 gauge fittings with lots of force. I was thinking about buying one of these, and wondered if anyone on here has used one or has one. MY concern is that a hydraulic tool might corrode and not work in a few years, while the mechanical vice crimpers seem to always work. Jeff, any experience on this?

Paul
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#10 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:48:08 AM(UTC)
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I will have to look up the site but when I installed my inverter I used soider terminal ends. The copper ends also had soider pellets. Really worked well and STRONG AND SEALED!

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#11 Posted : Friday, January 01, 2010 6:13:39 PM(UTC)
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For what it's worth -

I'm an electrician, by trade, and I never use THHN or TW wire on boats. And I'm sitting on a LOT of it, believe me. Just not worth it. In addition to the flexibility that marine wire provides, it also carries more amperage. I would, however, consider welding wire...

Also - After crimping my ends (with a crimper), I solder anything #6 or larger - easy enough to do, with a torch and a little patience. Just heat up the crimp end until the solder sucks in a bit. Then shrink wrap the wire to the fitting.

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#12 Posted : Friday, January 01, 2010 11:36:11 PM(UTC)
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Why welding wire Think

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#13 Posted : Saturday, January 02, 2010 4:49:33 AM(UTC)
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Docsnow wrote:
Why welding wire Think

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Similar characteristics to marine wire, in strands and flexibility.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:31:05 PM(UTC)
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Welding wire has lots of strands, meant to carry lots of current, and is flexible.

I used #12 THHN which should carry enough current and I supported it well. Available in lots of colors and very available.

I soldered every crimp before heat shrinking it.
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#15 Posted : Monday, January 04, 2010 12:08:33 AM(UTC)
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Even in fresh water, I would used tinned wire - it is a lot easier to solder. Welding wire is bad on boats because it is not tinned and the little wires corrode very quickly. Even if it is tinned, the flexibility is not needed, better to use regular stranded wire.

You can get marine grade wire fairly cheaply. Try Skycraft in Orlando, www.skycraftsurplus.com . They have actual marine wire for $1.65/foot, http://skycraftsurplus.com/wire.aspx?page=3



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#16 Posted : Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:55:11 AM(UTC)
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I found this place on ebay a while back seems to have good prices on marine wire by the ft. or in packaged lengths
on ebay it genuinedealz.
or
http://shop.genuinedealz.com
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