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#21 Posted : Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:26:09 AM(UTC)
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Just heads up to some of the Newbies that may not be aware of the significance of using a S.S. wire brush when cleaning anodes & bearing surfaces as Karl, has described above Applause

Here's a site that sells anodes at a fair price that we need for our BigMs

www.boatzincs.com/marinette-bar.html

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#22 Posted : Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:41:01 AM(UTC)
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Ya, use stainless and I also hit both surfaces with carbide sandpaper and then wipe with water or mineral spirits, whatever fluid is closest to my reach.

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#23 Posted : Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:21:19 AM(UTC)
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Karl,

Would a warm Brewski left in the sun to long work as a wipe down fluid Whistle

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#24 Posted : Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:11:54 PM(UTC)
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Only if it were light beer. That's about all light beer is good for...Anode wiping.

Now if that warm beer were a Molson Ice I'd gently put her in the refer for a late afternoon refreshment break.

-K
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:57:02 PM(UTC)
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Dang I didn't know things were that bad off in Ohio Anxious

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#26 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 2:01:02 AM(UTC)
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Up date on my rudders. Found that they were full of epoxy. The anoed was sitting on top of opoxy!I had paid for new rudders last time he bottom was painted. They just dressed them up with epoxy and charged me for new. I grinding out the epoxy and filling in with stainless rod. Going to put stainless on leading edge like Jeff sugested. Thanks Jeff
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#27 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 5:26:53 AM(UTC)
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You're welcome. Glad to save someone money--especially me! Make the stainless leading edge strips go from the front edge of the rudder to about where the post starts--about a inch and a half.

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#28 Posted : Monday, April 05, 2010 2:36:51 PM(UTC)
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Folks,

I was looking at (but didn't buy) a 32' sedan bridge in Evansville, In. The owner had the boat in the shop and one of the items he had the shop do was to make up a new set of SS rudders. The difference was that he had the shop add 2" of height and 2" of depth to the overall dimension. The owner explained that he had this done as the normal rudders "weren't suited for river use". Does that explanation bear out?

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#29 Posted : Monday, April 05, 2010 11:48:51 PM(UTC)
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No. The rudders on Marinettes are well suited to maneuvering. Larger ones just making steering more difficult.

Jeff

PS: There's a lot of engineering involved in rudder design!
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#30 Posted : Tuesday, April 06, 2010 1:47:12 PM(UTC)
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Boating on the Ohio I have seen cases where larger rudders were desireable so his justification is not that unordinary, My Bertram is nearly impossible to single engine or beach and hold while setting lines ashore in any but the slightest currents. I do not think of the Marinettes as needing more but there might be a little room here for opinion. The guys that always run or anchor but never beach a boat like us river people do might not see the need.
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#31 Posted : Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:10:50 AM(UTC)
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There are two obvious improvements one could make to the stock M rudders:

First, use an airfoil shape rather than a flat plate. At M speeds that would mean that the widest part, 1/3 back from the leading edge, would need to be about 15% of the chord. Less balance (area forward of the stock) would be required.

Second, fill the space at the top of the rudder, going as close to the hull as practical. This will improve both efficiency and turning force.

The factory knew both of these things, and apparently decided that the improvement in performance was not worth the cost.


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#32 Posted : Wednesday, April 07, 2010 6:49:40 AM(UTC)
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dougrose wrote:
The factory knew both of these things, and apparently decided that the improvement in performance was not worth the cost.
Doug..could you flesh out how you know this? Never heard that before (but I haven't heard of a lot of things). It would seem that they could have made the steel ruidders so shaped quite easily.
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#33 Posted : Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:51:12 PM(UTC)
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Doug,

I hope you are beaching your Bertram not the Marinette. When I had a fiberglass boat, I used to beach it often but since the sandy or muddy bottom will rub the coating off the bottom, I will not beach my Marinette ... way to much work to clean and recoat bottom.

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