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Gauges went berzerk today
Capt T
#1 Posted : Monday, March 01, 2010 9:55:31 AM(UTC)
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Finally both motors up and running. Went to fire up starboard motor, ( first time in 2 years) after complete rebuild. Gauges on the bridge working fine all gauges except tach for that motor are pegged all the way right. I've checked all connections in harness, all grounds are where they belong, all pos are correct. Any ideas on where else to look. makes no sense to me why bridge works and lower station does not.Brick wall
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#2 Posted : Monday, March 01, 2010 10:55:41 AM(UTC)
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Sounds like a ground problem. Did you visually check or pull and inspect grounding wires. I've had wires look good but were corroded and bad connection where it fell apart in my hands.
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#3 Posted : Monday, March 01, 2010 11:14:26 AM(UTC)
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First place I started was ground wires, tugged, pulled removed and cleaned. Like I said earlier I am dumb founded by the fact the bridge works fine but lower station is acting like it is grounded out. Doesn't the lower station feed the bridge? and if that's the case I would think both stations should be acting weird.
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#4 Posted : Monday, March 01, 2010 2:08:15 PM(UTC)
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If the sensor wire is grounded, but there is power to the gauge, then it will peg all the way to the right. I would try removing some of the sensor wires from the gauges, that should get you pegged all the way left. Sounds as though there is a miswire in the sensor leads.

Check the obvious stuff, from return (ground) at the panel to hot, should be 12 V., that each gauge is getting power, that each gauge has a ground. The ground is on the gauge only for the sake of the light, make sure it is not connected to the sensor wire S instead.

With the sensor wire disconnected from the gauge and the power off, measure the resistance between the sensor wire and ground. It should be anywhere from 33 to 240 ohms, probably somewhere in the middle. If not, follow the wire back to the sensor.

When you have two stations, you have a sender that varies from 17 ohms to 120 ohms, so that it can power two gauges. The S terminal on both gauges should go to the sensor. There is a terminal block somewhere where they come together. Terminal blocks are good places for miswires.



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#5 Posted : Monday, March 01, 2010 2:29:18 PM(UTC)
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When I took my flybridge instument panel out I found the wiring for each engine cluster were connected with the same kind of 8 plug unit that connects to the engine harness. So the the cabin and flybridge gauges are wired very much alike. There is one ground on the plug. When one of your instuments peg it is usually because the feed wire is grounded. Why all yours are pegging or shorting at the same time is a real mystery.

ENGINE WIRING HARNESS COLORS
PURPLE--------- IGNITION
LIGHT BLUE---- OIL PRESSURE
YELLOW/RED---STARTER
GREY------------(–) COIL (FOR TACH)
TAN-------------WATER TEMPERATURE
BLACK----------GROUND
RED-------------BATTERY
PINK------------AUX (FUEL – BUZZER – ETC)


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#6 Posted : Monday, March 01, 2010 10:17:45 PM(UTC)
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Whoa!

Before taking a swan dive into that instrument cluster, think about what wires you may have disturbed in the repairs. One of them might simply be shorted to ground somewhere.

Question: Did the starter crank when you hit the key?

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#7 Posted : Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:54:19 PM(UTC)
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Wow Yooper thanks for the diagram. will come in handy.
Yeah jeff as a matter of fact we tried to just bump it a few times to get some oil through her and she fired right off, (oops, forgot to disconnect coil wire before bump).All wires were pretty much unplugged from motor and then plugged back up at install, nothing outta the ordinary. I am going back to the boat tomorrow, sometimes I just need a break from looking at the problem then when I go back it usually jumps out at me. Hopefully that will be the case. Like I said earlier it is odd that all the starboard side lower gauges went nuts and the bridge remained okay. Heading back with muilti meter in hand will let you know more tomorrow. Thanks guys. Thanks Dougrose for the ohms reading I'll have them in hand.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:51:32 PM(UTC)
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Okay here is what I have found. When I lift the start switch's on the bridge to run, All gauges, both upper and lower stations work fine :d/ . When the bridge switch's are turned off lower station gauges peg all the way right d'oh! . Now the tricky part. Keys in ignitions turned on, Lower station start switch's turned off, Upper station switch's will turn the motors over but won't start them. If I go back below and lift the lower station switch's to the run position without starting the motors I can then go to the bridge and start the motorsThink. I am beginning to think the problem may be in the start toggle switch's. I am aware that if you originally start the motors from one station you must go to that station to shut them off. In the past when I turned the ignition keys on I could start the motors from either station without having the lowers turned on. Hope this makes sense to someone that could point me in the right direction. Until then me thinks the problem may be in the togglesThink . If anyone has run into this before I would love to hear what you found out, thanksWhistle
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#9 Posted : Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:19:51 PM(UTC)
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Once again I congratulate myself from removing that *~@% fly bridge!

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#10 Posted : Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:13:03 PM(UTC)
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Check all the places that the purple wire connects cause if U have checked for good ground then the Purple wire will be the culpert some where along the line Anxious either miss connected or not making a good connection

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#11 Posted : Monday, March 08, 2010 11:42:26 AM(UTC)
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Applause yippy. Thanks Docsnow. Went back to work tracing wires and discovered, when I redid the dash on the bridge. I forgot to reconnect the engine syncBrick wall . when the previous owner hooked up most of the stuff on the bridge he must have thought red wire looked good cause thats what everything was hooked up with. Needless to say I just spent all day re wiring the bridge. Bet I removed 200foot of useless wires just dangling everywhere up there. Much cleaner AND EVERYTHING WORKS as it should now! Thanks for every bodies input.Drool
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#12 Posted : Monday, March 08, 2010 10:07:24 PM(UTC)
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Sir: You are allowed to work on my boat any time!

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#13 Posted : Monday, March 08, 2010 10:27:26 PM(UTC)
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Glad I could help.

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