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tundrarules
#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:41:52 AM(UTC)
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Summer storms pop up quick, so planning ahead is almost impossible. From what I've read on the forum the Marinette does not have a big lightning strike problem. What precautions and thoughts do you experienced Capts have on this subject. Lower antennas or leave them up? Try to out run every little summer storm that pops up or just sit back on the couch sucking a cold one and watch all the ski boats zip by?
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:42:41 PM(UTC)
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Lightning is a mysterioius an powerful force in nature.

For years we have dealt with the "Cone of Protection"

To keep it short is supplying a route to ground ie in the boating world that is water. The less resistance the better the protection. Sailboats for example use a Dynaplate on fiberglass boats. All chain plates SS rails ect. are routed to the dynaplate. Thru hulls etc are also routed. In therory a stike will hit the mast or antenna and route directly to the dynaplate. Actually most strikes are ground up..

Anyway our big Ms are better than most to find an easy path to the water. On the Great Lakes in open water we used to disconnect major electronics like radar, radios and depth finders. Remember to isolated the unit disconnect the grounds!

That does not mean that it will not cause damage it just imprpves the odds. I lost a FG boat on Lake Superior years ago. htnign strike all looked ok except there were a million spider crakes and pinholes in the hull. We made it to port, but she was doing her best to go down with the Fitz!

By the way, I did not own the boat and was just moving it for a guy and there was no lightning protection installed.

One trick when a storm is approaching is put out warps. (lines looped from grounded cleats into the water) You do not want to be the opposite charge! It will disipate the charge and can improve the odds. Personal protection,,, do not hang on to rails etc and stay under cover.. not on the bridge!

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dave
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:52:19 PM(UTC)
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Since my antena was destroyed along with a randem list of ac and dc items I do not think my odds are that great of being hit again so I head up on the bridge and yell like luetent Dan of FOREST GUMP

Mike
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:26:44 PM(UTC)
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Find a sailboat with a high mast and moor nearby!

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#5 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:39:51 PM(UTC)
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Jeff's RITE!!! They build SAILBOATS FOR A REASON!!! Run along near on or ANCHOR NEXT TO HIM!!! They like Ice for thier drinks!!! We did this when I lived in te Islands-WHEN THEY START SHOWING UP WITH THIER EMPTY 5 GALLON BUCKETS-PULL ANCHOR, LIKE WE DID!!!Sorrydog
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:33:41 AM(UTC)
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I have some familiarity with lightning protection, having worked with rockets and other explosives in central florida, the lightning capital of the world.

The "cone of protection" does not exist. In still air (or in a lab) the highest point connected to ground will conduct ions out of the air, and beneath and to the sides of this point the air is free of ions and therefore not conductive. However, when the air is moving, all bets are off because the deionized air is constantly being removed and replaced by air that is probably wet to boot.

I have a photo of a strike going around the huge lightning rod at the top of the access tower, traveling in air alongside the shuttle's tank, and then curving in to strike the mobile launch platform next to the base of one of the boosters, where it evaporated a piece of equipment and melted a hole thru the plate steel. Talk about a close call.

Jeff is right of course, the sailboat provides some protection. Make sure you are downwind of him.

There have been a dozen or more strikes at my marina in the decade that I have been there. They invariably take out something expensive on the top of one of the sailboat masts. One blew a hole through the hull as the lightning took the short route from the guy's SSB counterpoise plate inside, to the water outside.

An M is a welded metal box, a good Faraday cage, and you are safer inside your boat than anywhere else you could be. On deck or the flybridge, not so. A good lightning storm at anchor, with the bolts falling all around, is scary as can be. Beer will not get you thru this, I recommend rum and coke. Ask Sorrydog, he knows.


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#7 Posted : Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:54:54 AM(UTC)
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Here's an informative article on the subject.

http://www.boatus.com/seaworthy/swlightning.asp



Looks like I would have to hang 4 AWG wire from the grounded cleats. That may be a little overkill considering the screws that hold the cleats are the path and they are way smaller than the grounding warps.

Sounds like I'm safer than most in the BigM, that's comforting to know.

What if I just threw over my magnesium guppy's grounded to the rail....that could act as an OK warp I guess for extra grounding. If I had a few hundred extra bucks laying around and wanted to get anal with it all, I would make up a lightning rod with 4 AWG wire attach to one of my antennas and directed straight into the water. I don't know, that may be asking for trouble....

My plan as of now is to disconnect electronics, find a sailboat if available, then go inside and watch the fireworks.

Do you guys leave your antennas up?

Let's examine the grounding of the BigM. If I remember correctly there are two 5" metal grounding disk on the bottom of the boat. What are they made of? I would count the anodes for grounds also.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:01:19 AM(UTC)
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No metal grounding disks on mine. ?? I take antenas down if I'm on the boat during a storm, but most of the time they remain up.

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:47:06 AM(UTC)
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The danger to an M is not so great. If lightning strikes the boat, it is carried thru welds to the lower hull, where it will likely get to the water through the keel anode. Once the current is in the hull or superstructure, I don't think you will be able to coax it through a cleat to a wire, it takes the easiest path and a weld is like a solid piece of metal

The biggest danger is that it will travel through the paint into the water, leaving a bare spot on the hull. The bare spot will attract electrolysis if there is any. My diver checks for this when he cleans the hull every six weeks or so.

Disconnecting the electronics is a great idea.

I have two 23' antennas, one for vhf and one for ssb. I leave them up, but I have a sailboat on either side and they give me decent protection. If I put them down, folks walking the dock bump into them.

If I am away from the dock, I put them down. No reason to ask for trouble.


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