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#1 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:08:03 AM(UTC)
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Folks, I want to install a depth finder on a 32 Sedan Bridge.
I don't need to re-invent the wheel but I would like to add it
before the "Luna Sea" hits the water. I know absolutely nothing
about this procedure or the potential cost so any of your
advise would be most helpful.

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#2 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:47:33 AM(UTC)
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Bought a Himminbird unit years ago, with a transom mounted transducer--don't want any more holes in the bottom of my boat. Has worked very well. Only thing that bothers it are barnacles and grassy crud, but it's accessable where I mounted it for easy cleaning.

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#3 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:06:22 AM(UTC)
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Jeff, I also am needing to get a new fish finder depth meter. It seems that most models I looked at came with transom mounted xducers, When you mount it on the transom, I'm assuming you have to have the xducer mounted below the bottom of the boat so when you are moving along rapidly, and the water is sliding back from the bottom of the boat , the pick up is still in the water. Does the speed affect the depth readings?
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#4 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2008 11:00:29 AM(UTC)
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Doesn't bother it a bit.

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#5 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:13:20 PM(UTC)
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Definitely true on the transom. The DSP doesn't care about surface noise. Aluminum hull boats can use depth transducers (alumaducer) that are hole-less in the bilge.

I am not sure our hulls aren't too thick. Try http://www.vexilar.com/. They still make the spinner type of transducer.

The improvement in new screens and electronics is coming very fast recently. Expect whatever you buy, will be a lot better soon.
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GB49
#6 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:56:59 PM(UTC)
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All of my transducers are mounted under the galley floor on the 32 sedan. It's ideal to mount them before any disturbance such as intakes, props etc.
Generally the units come by default with the transom mount transducer. I've never been a fan of transom mount. I just order the nylon through hull. If you use bronze make sure you use a nylon sleeve to keep it from touching the hull. And use plenty of bedding compound. Most people will recommend 3M 4200 but I tend to go with the stronger 5200 just in case the ducer gets knocked/broken loose, that 5200 will hold everything together. Also recommend a fairing block to keep the ducer pointing down. The hull deadrise can be measured w/ a protractor or one of those angle measuring things from the hardware store.
Be sure to goop the threads of the ducer before you tighten the nut if you go with a through hull.

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#7 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:28:41 PM(UTC)
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I put a transom-mount transducer on my fishing boat (17' Whaler) and I found that I had to mount it about an inch below the lower edge of the transom, to get it below the bubble layer. I also had to tilt it "bow up" a bit to keep solid water on it. This done, it works fine.

A transducer under the middle of the boat shouldn't see these problems, and in fact my thru-hull one in the 32' works fine.

I believe that our hulls are 3/16", Jeff would know. That's 0.1875", a little thicker than Vexilar specifies. I wonder if they would work with a small reduction in performance.


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#8 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2008 11:08:38 PM(UTC)
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..."I believe that our hulls are 3/16", "

Correct. Transom mounted transducers (now htere's a mouthful!) have the distinct advantage of not opening a gigantic hole in the hull if smashed off! On tilting them downward and mounting slightly below the bottom of the boat, that is the recommended procedure.

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:49:01 AM(UTC)
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What you want to do sounds simple until you get into it. I needed to replace mine because the cord with model numbers and gauge was cut and discarded. Airmar makes most all of the transducers. I called them for info and they were a little impatient because they sell only to OEM's. Word .. never cut the cord. I needed a gauge with a repeater output so I could install a gauge on both the flybridge and the inside helm. I also needed a flush mounted nylon thru hull to plug the existing 2" diameter hole in the hull. If you already have a hole for a transducer you should use it, otherwise a transom mount is ok. I ordered a set from Northstar a D210. It has a brown data wire which I can use to mount another D210 gauge any where on the boat. The dang transducer was a 1 5/8" diameter instead of 2". So I had to mail away more money to Northstar for a 2" transducer.

P.S You can get transducers with water temp and a speed impellers if you think you need that stuff to drive other instruments. The 2" transducer they sent me was "insertable". That means I can pull the guts out and replace it with a blank or maybe and upgraded element. At the time I was researching this the in-hull transducers would not work throught the thicker Marinette hulls.

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#10 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:01:39 PM(UTC)
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This is the supplier for Lowrance, Eagle and Sea products. If you need a transducer for any of these products which were popular back in the 80's and appeared on many Marinette's this is the place.
I think Hummingbird also falls into the slot of one of the companies mentioned above. I think its Eagle.
Some of the transducers have been discontinued unfortunately. Ebay is the next option.

http://www.lei-extras.com/store/default.asp

-Karl

Yooper! Sorry about cutting the cord for the ducer. Whatever brand it was I had never seen one like it before. It was a tiny, cheaply made thing that was Velcroed to the helm.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:40:17 PM(UTC)
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Jeff

I like your step extension on your ladder, have to do that on my little boat.

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#12 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:33:17 AM(UTC)
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Karl,

No problem. You didn't know about this stuff when you cut the transducer cord. I first tried to get Airmar to tell me how to hook up another gauge so I didn't have to pry the old unit out of the hull. They basically told me I was out of luck without the model number info which is on tape labels near the gauge end of the wire. Most depth sounder and fish finder manufacturers all use transducers from Airmar. Airmar uses the same basic set of pickups but the connectors vary based on the needs of the gauge makers. The connector/transducer combination determines the model number and the family of gauges you can use. A model number / gauge cross reference is available on the Airmar site. I was kind of upset that there is limited standardization in the connections even though the transducers are mostly from one firm. Some of the gauges, like my new one, can pass the information along digitally to another gauge with a simple repeater wire. This is usually done with a "NMEA" standard making making mixing manufacturers easier. The other feature of my new transducer is the insertable feature. This will allow me to slip another transducer into the housing which is cemented to the hull without prying the whole unit out. I am very satisfied with my new depth sounder rig.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:52:58 AM(UTC)
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Yoop,

Glad to hear you got it working!

Better get that boat in the water this year! Its much more fun to work on while is in the water. :d/

-Karl
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:37:27 AM(UTC)
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Transom mounts for xducers are great if you get them in the right place for your boat. If they are in a stream of bubbles, they will not register correctly or at all. A good model will tell you all that stuff in the installation manual. What's nice is that every mount I've seen give you room to make an up or down adjustment til you get it right.

I had bad luck with my transom mount on a fiberglass boat (stopped reading when I picked up speed) so I moved to a thru hull. In that boat, I was able to mount the thru-hull xducer in the bilge and shoot the sound waves right thru the hull. It was carefully bedded in ordinary silicone laid down slowly so no air bubbles formed. What you saw above in one post is that there is a possibility you could do that in our aluminum Marinettes. Airmar can guide you.

And if you do go thru-hull, I would urge not to use 5200 sealant. It is almost permanent. There is a solvent for it but I don't think every marine store carries it. 4200 will be fine for bedding - flexible and removable. It is used just to seal out water, not hold the thing in place. And if you use a metalfixture coming thru the hull, make the hole big enough so that the metal doesn't contact aluminum. We all know that is beddy, beddy bad!

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#15 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2008 1:39:08 AM(UTC)
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i`m also adding new electronics and trying to figure the best route for my transducer, i have a flush mount just ahead of the port engine which i believe is for my sandpiper digital depth which dosent work very well at all and was thinking of putting new transducer in there but would have to add fearing block and pull everything out. i like the idea of a transom mount i know they work great but not to sure about attaching it to the transom, help again!!
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#16 Posted : Monday, March 31, 2008 3:27:15 AM(UTC)
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I had my depth finder replaced a couple of years ago. I also added one so that I would have one at each station. Mine are mounted through the hull. I am very happy with their performance and they work very well at any speed. You will need a fairing block if mounted this way, but from what I have read this is the best way over a transom mount. I have had no problems with leaking whatsoever... the 5200 is the greatest invention known to man....
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#17 Posted : Monday, March 31, 2008 10:38:59 AM(UTC)
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Xspence wrote:
I had my depth finder replaced a couple of years ago. I also added one so that I would have one at each station. Mine are mounted through the hull. I am very happy with their performance and they work very well at any speed. You will need a fairing block if mounted this way, but from what I have read this is the best way over a transom mount. I have had no problems with leaking whatsoever... the 5200 is the greatest invention known to man....


Just nice to see you back....
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Thanks....good to be back....don't know where I went...just kinda checked out for the Winter I suppose....Spring is here..kind of..we will be back in the water soon..
The Beatings will continue until Morale improves....


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#19 Posted : Friday, April 18, 2008 5:13:55 AM(UTC)
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I'm getting ready to install a transom mount transducer as well. Any suggestions as to what material the screws should be for attaching the bracket?
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#20 Posted : Friday, April 18, 2008 7:21:04 AM(UTC)
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