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DiverDennis
#1 Posted : Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:58:16 AM(UTC)
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SWIM PLATFORM EXTENSION
A "how to" story with tips and tricks for a 1975 28' Express.

The original platform wasn't big enough for scuba diving so we decided to extend it My neighbor Mike owns a metal fab shop and had the materials and tools we would need. I wanted it to match the old one so we came up with a plan to make it look similiar to the original. We didn't need it to be as wide (X) as the existing because of the kicker mount (see pics below). This is a crude representation of what we are building:
Y |____|
.......X

Materials:
X' x Y' sheet of 1/4" 6061 aluminum - We used 6' x 2' smooth but you could use diamond
3 - 8' lengths of 1/4" x 2" 6061 flat bar stock
aluminum welder with skills (Mike)
cost = $400
time ~ 10hrs

Before taking the boat to Mike's shop, I sanded the paint off the existing platform in the areas where he would be doing the welding. This is how we did it but I know, "There's more than one way to.....".

First you bend a 85 degree angle (or so) approx 18" inches from one end of a piece of flat bar. This will be the shorter port end. Then bend a slight curve into the long length to mimic the arc of the existing aft edge. Measure where the other end should be bent and bend another angle to match the first one. Position your |___| shaped piece up against the platform and cut off excess from SB end. Level and tack in place to make it flush and level with the existing. You can fill the mating ends with weld to make it smooth. Author's note: The above procedure sounds easy and it was for Mike. But I would have screwed it up for sure.

Lay your plate atop the |___| positioning it to cover but keep one side as close as to the edge so you will only have to make minimal cuts. Clamp into position. Scribe/mark along the INSIDE contours of the |___| onto the plate from underneath to complete the pattern. Cut along your pattern lines with a band saw or jig saw. Be sure to make your cuts with tight tolerances to prevent excess gaps.

Now for the hard part. It is necessary to cut holes into the plate to allow water to pass thru and minimize the hydraulic effect when awash. After laying out the location of each slot, Mike used a plasma cutter to make short work of it. I used a high speed air die grinder and a carbine burr bit to clean up all the rough edges. This process took longer than anticipated. Note: Docsnow (big M forum member) used a jig saw (see additional tips below). Either way there is a lot of labor to clean up the edges of the cuts. If a person had access to a water jet cutter.....

After the holes are cut, place the plate in the |___| and clamp to close any gaps. Check to make sure it is level. Weld in place, cut the 1/4" x 2" support stock to the measured lengths. Each one will be different. There should be one support to match the existing platform supports. We used a total of 10. The two at the ladder bracket are 5/16" X 2". Cut the corner off the bottom aft end of each and grind to smooth and shape. Your expert welder will know how to zap it all together to minimize the distorting effects of expansion and contraction.

Apply a couple of coats of nonskid paint and you are ready for a dive trip.

From Docsnow and others:
Use a cheap 1/8" luwaune (sp?) backing or some scrap thin wood backing made the cutting easier & only used 1 blade as opposed to 3 to cut the first 1/3rd of the inner arc.
To bend AL without fracturing. Heat at or near place of bend till U can make a hickory hammer handle leave a mark by rubbing on it. Then it is ready to be formed. This annealing will last up to 6hr & will return to it’s original temper.
Use kerosene when ever possible to eliminate galling of blades, drills, etc.

Click here for more useful tips on working with aluminum.

Applause



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#2 Posted : Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:50:44 PM(UTC)
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Dennis, You need to call your shop MONSTER GAGAGE!!!! As an old old old welder and fabricator I can appreciate the time and thought and BEER it TOOK!!Excellent J.O.B. Install those underwater lights and light up you downtown!!
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#3 Posted : Friday, February 29, 2008 2:53:18 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Dog. Those lights are at the end of a long...
LIST:
get more brightside paint and primekote (done)
remove railing, hatch cover, and all hardware
sand and prep gunnel and deck
prime and paint gunnel and deck
reinstall all stuff removed for painting
drink beer (done)
transmission cooler remove, inspect, flush, change zinc, reinstall
test fume detector
install Flowscan sensor and new Racor
shielded cable to tach
NMEA from GPS to Flowscan
take hatch cover, hand rail, and fittings to powder coater
remove and replace bilge vent cowls (4)
drink beer (git 'er done)
thermostat reinstall
impeller reinstall
oil change
timbrins on truck
check/repack wheel bearings
run power cable for winch on new truck
wireless video camera for truck (done)
engine compartment video camera install
install new underwater lighting
drink beer
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Docsnow
#5 Posted : Friday, February 29, 2008 9:33:30 PM(UTC)
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Mann!!!

U forgot the most important thing BEER Shame on you that should be at the top of the list & if U Think drink it all PUT it at the top again Pray U'll love yourself for doing so Anxious Angel or at list u'll be happier when things just don't go right Brick wall

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#7 Posted : Friday, February 29, 2008 9:38:57 PM(UTC)
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Well the moment of true is here I'm headed up to the boat today to see if all my measurements where right & the S/P fits the tramsom Pray figers XXXX, St Elmo be there for me Pray

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#8 Posted : Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:24:10 AM(UTC)
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Got cams and sound in my engs rooms,with backup cam. Got um At Sams Or Coscos about $300 bucks, also rotates pics on moniter. Sorrydog
DiverDennis
#6 Posted : Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:27:36 PM(UTC)
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Docsnow wrote:
Mann!!! U forgot the most important thing...

mmmmm beer. Nurse!
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#10 Posted : Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:53:28 PM(UTC)
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Here’s a couple of pix of the semi finished extended swim platform. BTW it fit like a glove
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fastjeff
#11 Posted : Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:55:46 PM(UTC)
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I hope you reinforced the transom for that kicker. Neat job, by the way.

Jeff
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#13 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2008 12:03:12 AM(UTC)
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JAM UP JOB!! Didn,t see any beer cans sitting around!! Would make a nice bar till launch!! Needs Chistening Sorrydog!!
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#14 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2008 8:20:48 AM(UTC)
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Jeff,

Thanks for the kudos. Great idea on backer plates.

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#15 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2008 8:26:09 AM(UTC)
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Carl,

There was plenty of Christianing, right after I seen how snug that platform fit,Applause  as a matter of fact
seeing we were 100 + miles from home we had get a motel room didn’t dare drive in our condition. Shame on you I’m so glad that over, doubting ones measurement when boat that far away cost me many sleepless night Damn the price of AL. made me afraid to make a cut especially on the transom angle. Pray  So see I didn’t let U down my head still ain’t screwed on right & that was twodays ago. d'oh!

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DiverDennis
#16 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2008 10:22:18 AM(UTC)
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Hey Norm,

L@@KING GOOD! Bring on the powder!
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#17 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2008 11:35:06 AM(UTC)
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Dennis,

Thanks, the powder is a coming trying to make the decision of should I fork over another $100
smackers for them to add nonskid into the powder or just put on the glue on tape that can be had
at H/D or the likes for under $20 a roll d'oh! Boo hoo!


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DiverDennis
#18 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2008 11:53:18 AM(UTC)
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...another $100 smackers...

Holy $hit. Wonder why it is so much?
My advise? You only get one chance to have it done right. Down the road you will have no regrets.
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#19 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2008 9:18:31 PM(UTC)
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Dennis,

Holy $hit. Wonder why it is so much?

The guy told Me that in stead of 3 coats at 4 mil they'd be applying 5 coats in the nonskid areas. Mostly due to time & not the material. The $100 is bad enough but I wonder how hard it would be to clean up ? thats my main consern cause that's one reason I powder coat is to have a maintenance free boat as possible.

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#21 Posted : Tuesday, March 04, 2008 3:23:15 AM(UTC)
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Damn! and I feel so proud when I manage to cut a little hole and file the edges smooth.


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#22 Posted : Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:29:47 AM(UTC)
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I understand about the sleepless nights!! When I was building my boat a couple of times felt overwhelmed with problems. At night while sleeping, I would actualy dream of some of the problems and SOLVE them in my sleep!! Would keep a pad and pencil by the bed to write them down in the middle of the NIGHT!! We are really SICK PUPPIES HUH!!! When I bought the hull in S FL. I told my son Lets run down and buy a boat I looked at last week , we will come back tomorrow. Ten days later we came back with the boat on a truck. I rented a room for us, after 2 days he said, you gotta rent me a seperate room! When I ask why? He said well you know the problems we are having getting that old wheel house loose to load it on the truck? I KNOW HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS?? You tAlked about it in your sleep ALL NIGHT LONG!!! I GOT TWO ROOMS AND A PAD AND PAPER!!! SICK DOG
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:58:23 AM(UTC)
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SleepTalker,

Next time you have a problem to hurdle, put a tape recorder next to the bed. That way you won't miss any details.

Some of the projects for SI were concieved whilst attempting sleep: stern thruster, pivoting kicker mount, engine monitor sub panel, keel roller, 2" rigid guide ons.
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:00:34 PM(UTC)
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Edison did that too, so you're in good company.

JEff
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