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ComputerJoe
#1 Posted : Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:49:20 AM(UTC)
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Has anyone else documented their Marinette? How did you go about it?

I have been trying to contact John again to try and get the fact of build letter required by the USCG with out luck. As I understand it the letter needs to state that the vessel was built in the USA. John seemed to be aware of what I was talking about and I gave him the serial number off of the builders plate but after two months I have not heard from him and I am wondering what I do next.

I have the Aluminum Cruisers builders plate but that is not good enough for the USCG. Plan "B" is to pay $500 to the DOT documentation center on top of the $166 to the USCG.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:13:30 PM(UTC)
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Joe, My Marinette is USCG Documented. When I financed mine with Suntrust Bank they handled everything. From what I remember after it was documented I had to forfeit my state title since the document is basically a national title. The only problem i have had with the document is that it is only good for 1 year. Every year the USCG sends you a new document. Each time I have received mine it usually has an error. The first error showed my big M with a fiberglass hall. The 2nd error left the year as unknown. Who knows what next year's error will be.

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Computer Joe: John will eventually respond. it will not be within your time frame but he will reply or answer his phone. His drummer has a different cadence.

Steve: those documentation folks are kinda strange. I've had to deal with them and they are about as bureaucratic as they come, entirely unbending. One year they failed to send my renewal form and made me pay the "late renewal" fee of 80 bucks. Locating it in W VA was a "reward" for constituents from Sen Byrd who always brings home the pork. And, of course, as a Coast Guard agency it was (and may still be) chronically underfunded.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:42:01 PM(UTC)
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Joe conact Peggy Vann at Vann Vessel documentation 706-937-6788, mention Sorrydog, She has done all my work for 25 years and will be less expensive than the prices you mentioned. Also had my boat documented for chartering as you are trying to do, then found out here in Fl. you can do charters with a Fl. title. Didnt need to go thru all the hassle any way.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:36:47 AM(UTC)
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ComputerJoe wrote:
Has anyone else documented their Marinette? How did you go about it?

I have been trying to contact John again to try and get the fact of build letter required by the USCG with out luck. As I understand it the letter needs to state that the vessel was built in the USA. John seemed to be aware of what I was talking about and I gave him the serial number off of the builders plate but after two months I have not heard from him and I am wondering what I do next.

I have the Aluminum Cruisers builders plate but that is not good enough for the USCG. Plan "B" is to pay $500 to the DOT documentation center on top of the $166 to the USCG.

Hi Joe,
Due you plan on documenting your boat for your own personal use?
or are you planning on Chartering your boat?
We need to talk if you are Chartering!
TIA BillBrick wall
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ComputerJoe
#6 Posted : Sunday, April 27, 2008 11:59:52 PM(UTC)
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Well Saturdays mail brought me a Fact of Build letter from Marinette and John.

Thank You John!

The only question I had was that the beam, in the letter, was listed as 9'. I thought I measured almost 10' from rail to rail. And the depth of hold was listed as 2' and measuring from mid ship deck line (as stipulated in the USCG "Simplified Mesurement" instructions) to the keel I measured closer to 54". I can only assume that John used the the depth of hull below the water line. Reguardless I am very pleased to be able to file my paperwork for documentation now.

Thanks Again!
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#7 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2008 12:10:08 AM(UTC)
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Congratulations Joe, know you've waited a while!! Thanks for advice. Sorrydog2
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#8 Posted : Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:55:53 AM(UTC)
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Documentation: What a joke! The real reason that many folks documented was an attempt to avoid paying state sales taxes and property taxes! DE was a very popular port of documentation for that very reason.

Since then many states have wised up and require all vessels operating within there state for 60 days are required to have state registration. I worked 30 years as a boating enforcement officer and some of the rudist skippers I dealt with were those that had "documented" vessels and actually thought they were exempt from state jurisdiction. Not true boys and girls!

Also banks at one time insisted on documentation for vessels that qualified because of the first perferred mortage issued. This document was accepted across state lines and many states did not have a titling system in place.

Now mmost staes DO have titling and the need for documentation really on comes into play if you are leaving U.S. waters. (That is an other topic of discussion)

Bottom line is belly up to the tax bar it is getting difficult to avoid those state taxes. I dropped my documentation years ago and pay my fair share period. I also have been known to inform my enforcement brothers of obvious and intentional violators. I pay my taxes.. complain but I do pay them and expect others to do the same!

Enough.. ahhhh I feel better.. LOL

Oh,, the documentation center is staffed by a few elderly ladies in "Falling Waters" VA.
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#9 Posted : Friday, May 09, 2008 12:48:12 AM(UTC)
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Another point of interest is that a documented boat becomes it's own entity and debits incurred by it, stay with it and not the person ordering them. We had a local charter operator that thought he would have the marina repower his boat with two new diesels and then file bankruptcy. It didn't work. As soon as he brought it out of hiding and back to the marina the US Marshal showed up and "arrested" the boat. Another reason the banks like documented boats.

To all I received my Coast Guard mandated documentation yesterday! Hooray! Thank You John again! Also the TSA has pushed back the TWIC requirement until next spring! Double Hooray! Then the DNR kept to their orginal fee schedule for inspections even though a marine surveyor is doing them! Triple Hooray!

I'm glad I didn't give up a few months ago, sure felt like it. Now I'm waiting for gas to go down below $3/gal...not holding my breath.
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#10 Posted : Friday, May 09, 2008 1:45:28 AM(UTC)
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I bought my boat out of state and had a title abstract done. It had been documented and I transfered it to my name. The USCG title & liens trump state title and liens. For me it was a little extra peace of mind. The cost difference is minimal. You still have to pay the sales tax / excise fee. I save a few bucks on letters and decals and the state sticker for documented vessels is $30 less than for state titled vessels. On the other hand my boat's name and hailing port MUST be on the boat in 4" or larger block letters. Do not use your boat without the proper name and hailing port. The fines are outrageous. They also restrict the names you can use. They wouldn't let me use "Any Vessel" or "Radio Check"

You can look up any boat name here http://www.iwr.usace.arm...char/veslcharsearch.htm

Try putting in your boat name and see who else is using the same name.

Or try part of name like Money. Beer Money, SHETAKEMYMONEYANDRUN, All My Money, etc

John
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2008 2:53:56 PM(UTC)
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Wow. I had only a little trouble documenting my "new" 28' Express. I bought it last fall and had the seller endorse the State of Ohio title, and sign the completed USCG bill of sale (Form CG-1340). (Both need to be notarized.) I filled out the application for initial issuance of documentation (CG-1258) and application for simplified measurement (CG-5397). All the forms are on the USCG website along with instructions for filling out and sending in each form. I sent all those documents, a color copy of the endorsed Ohio title and the filing
fee to the documentation center. The only catch was the USCG wanted an additional $16 to file the bill of sale and not just the $133 filing fee. You need to remember that recreational boats always go to the bottom of the pile so it takes nearly forever. I mailed the filing on October 19 and got the document around the end of January.

And yes, I still had to title my boat in my home state (PA--and had to send in the original endorsed Ohio title to PA), pay the annual state registration fee and display the sticker. I understand most states have similar requirements.

Good luck!
Joe
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#12 Posted : Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:19:08 AM(UTC)
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I was flat out amazed that my documentation came through in under two weeks!

On older boats the fact of build letter is a problem that a "New Boat" would not have since you would have the builders documentation of the boat to show it was built in the old US of A. I think it is about 5 years before the black hole swallows that up unless you treat it with some anti-matter. :-)

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