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dougrose
Posted: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:04:36 AM

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It never ceases to amaze me how much I learn AFTER I have done the work. Where was boatdiesel.com when I needed them?

John, I finally get your point, and of course you are correct. If the pipe inside the water jacket were to burn through, then water would be introduced right at the manifold, which is ABOVE the valves! Too late now, I will trust that the 316L schedule 40 exhaust pipe, which you can see is 0.216" thick, will put up with the hot exhaust gasses inside and the salt water outside.

You can see what happened to the original cast iron unit:



It failed between the manifold and the water jacket and came off while the engine was running, and when I got home (on the other engine) I found the remnants hanging from the water hose -- no damage to the engine. Had to root around in the bilge until I found all the chunks of iron...

What I would do differently (for SDog):

=> Shorten the water jacket to just the end cap and the reducer, by taking out the 45 elbow and moving the cap to the other side of the 45 bend. Would then need to wrap the elbow.

=> Increase the size of the exhaust at the water bend: the engine installers used 3" all the way to the transom, but I could go to 4" where the water is added, and use 4" all the way out. Note that backpressure is not such a problem with four-strokes.

=> Add a surge pipe per Tony. I don't think I have ever seen one, but it is a good idea; if you get a slug of water coming up from the transom, it should take the momentum off of it.

=> Try 'tuning' out some of the exhaust noise. The surge pipe could also be a noise-canceling stub. I figure that for my engines it would need to be about 2' long.

Note that I use "long nuts" to bolt the water bend to the engine. This is because the original steel studs were a bit rusty, so I used the longer thread to get the best grip. Covering the entire stud prevents it from rusting above the nut, and makes it easier to get apart. I did this because I couldn't replace the studs with ss and put on bronze nuts, the preferred method.





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jhall767
Posted: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:14:57 AM

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dougrose wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how much I learn AFTER I have done the work.


Yep that's me. Generally the first light bulb comes on about 30 seconds after I finish the project!

John

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Docsnow
Posted: Saturday, June 07, 2008 1:24:12 AM

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Doug,

I thought it only was me that, that happened to I guess I'll try leaving the idea lite bulb on all the time it may be costly but may help me out in the long run Eh? from Brick wall Pray Wow there's a lot too read when ones been gone a while d'oh!

Norm,

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Docsnow
Posted: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:09:45 AM

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To All,

Stan, ask me to post this pic of his boat was having trouble cause there are still tears in his beer
after the Wings defeated the wingless Penguins SOUNDLY Applause Whistle Oh by the way Stan, glad I didn’t
have to buy that MOOSE PI$$ ya drink Pray they might of run me outta Ludington,please switch fer your own good Pray Hey Looks like U forgot to take the trail off the boat d'oh!  Nice lift wish I had one the iron in the harbor water is awful at my marina Anxious

Norm,

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Docsnow
Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:49:53 AM

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To All,

More Pix of Stans boatApplause


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stan
Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2008 4:37:11 AM
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Thanks Norm,
For some reason I can't get the pics to go onto the web page.
I'm still waiting for your address to payoff the bet.............. The birds in the tuxes will be back
next year..............and by the way, that's not me on the boat, I have hair. That was one of the
deckhands at the marina.

Lord Stanley, Lord Stanley pour me some brandy.

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Docsnow
Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2008 4:53:26 AM

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One Of These MUGS Than Must BE Stan


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stan
Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:13:46 AM
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Yea Norm,
That's me on the left, the other guy was the previous owner. This was launch day, Tues after
Mem day. Location: Jeffries Landing Marina, Bridgewater PA on the Beaver River.
John had a stroke and decided boating days were over due to some physical things so being good friends
he passed the boat on to me. John lives 3/4 mile from the dock, and will spend many an afternoon
onboard.
Stan

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dougrose
Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:23:49 PM

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Wow, that sure is one bear of a boat.


Sorry, couldn't resist.



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stan
Posted: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:53:41 AM
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Thanks,
I get a lot of comps on the paint job......................

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