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interesting underwater shots of cc that sank this year http://www.michiganshipwrecks.org/index.htmlcan't see this happening to  Wayne
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Wayne, Very interesting story.I wouldn’t say that I’ve seen the Nuff E Nuff a 32' express go down with only a gash in it’s bow about 2" w x somewhere about a 2 ½’ L after running into the Port Austin reef, luckily it sank quickly & settled in only 6' or so of water if there would of been a West wind blowing that day instead of East wind forcing it toward the reef, 1/4 mi. farther East there’s 50/60' of Lake Huron water.  “I always figure it could happen to me just as well as the other Guy” 
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Damn rouge waves anyway. Why isn't there a lake monitor/buoy/detection system that could give boaters advance warning of these huge waves? Couldn't find any specifics on the location or depth of the Pizzazz shipwreck. Just got the Admiral two Mustang 3183 hydrostatic pfds for Christmas. One is for the Captain of course. Be safe.
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Something tells me that old Connie was full of rot in the hull. May have looked good on the topside but underside is always another story.
Looking at the first photo on the page the hull looks like it is bubbling here and there.
Excellent photos. Looks like someone gently laid her down on the seabed.
-Karl
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Dennis, Do U know what causes those rogue waves? Are they something like a Tsunami but in a smaller version ? Heard about them & think I may have experienced one back in 02 we out on Lake Huron on a calm morning salmon fishing later than usual when we saw this what at the time look like a huge flock of geese way off on the horizon than as it got closer I thought wow that would have to be every goose in the world to make a line stretching for as far as the eye could as we rode over about a half dozen or so 5/6 foot waves the lake returned to near calm kind of bizarre & no Jeff, that was a rare occasion when I hadn’t a brewski yet  Hey dude continue your search for the “Pazazz” might be a good way point for fishing Structure my man, very little in Lake Michigan  Norm, Big s Live On 
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Docsnow wrote:Dennis, Do U know what causes those rogue waves? Are they something like a Tsunami but in a smaller version? Don't know for sure. Perhaps created by a freighter? Sure would put a fear in the Captain and crew.
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No one knows for sure why rogue waves are created--possibly underwater seismic activity--but they are real and deadly.
Jeff
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Dennis, the wreck is off little sauble point. I've been watching this topic on "boaters ed"
Wayne
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Docsnow wrote:Do U know what causes those rogue waves?...we rode over about a half dozen or so 5/6 foot waves ...the lake returned to near calm kind of bizarre Norm: this has all the earmarks of a wake from a big commercial boat. It sounds like the wake was amplified by the bottom suddenly getting shallower and pushing swells up. Quite scary.
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OK, now I've got ask. What has been the largest waves anyone has been thru & how did your do? Any glass broken or interior flooding? Wayne
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Back in '74 I was on the cement carrier JB Ford headed for Waukeegan/St. Joe. It was November and we got caught in a storm that came right down Lake Michigan so we couldn't make harbor safely and had to run up and down the lake whenever we ran out of lake. I had just got off watch and as our cabin doors opened up to the side deck my cabin had taken on a lot of water. I had just finished bailing the cabin floor into the sink after stuffing towels around the not so water tight door and dogging it down with all my might. Sitting back and admiring my work another wave came down the deck and I saw it clear the top of my porthole...thought I saw a fish or two swiming by. When I looked back to the door a jet of water came squirting out of the keyhole and wetted my pants for me.
Waves were easily over 20' but given that the worst of it was in the dead of night, judging wave height was difficult. The coal passers feeding the two boilers claimed that they were doused a half dozen times when some of those waves cleared the smoke stack. The JB Ford was 440' long and 50' abeam.
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The Pizzazz had been photographed just an hour or two earlier that day steaming North as waves broke over her bow. A woman on another boat took the photo when she noticed what a pounding the Pizzazz was taking. Lake Michigan is a long North-South inland sea with depths well over 800 feet. If the wind is out of the North or Northwest, the wave has a long way to build energy before the shallows magnify them.
I agree with Karl about hidden rot. There are many boat yards that will not lift a wooden boat any more. Too many have crumbled in the sling and owners claim the yard was negligent. No matter how good the hull looks, you cannot determine the condition of the stringers and ribs unless you remove the hull planks, search for rot, refasten the planks, usually with longer silicon bronze screws and new caulk and plugs. It's very labor intensive and very costly. More than 30 years ago we had a very small section (1.5' x 2.5') of our wooden Trojan 36's hull removed, reinstalled, recaulked and repainted and it was a little over $2,400.
That is just one of the reasons I now own a Marinette.
Peter
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