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#1 Posted : Monday, December 08, 2008 1:39:08 PM(UTC)
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looking to buy nice low time 1987-1990 41 aft cabin must be real nice and original prefer no projects
mark 502-548-9282 ,ky
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#2 Posted : Monday, December 08, 2008 2:11:30 PM(UTC)
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thre's one for sale in " HeartLand Boating" I think it's in Louisville.

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#3 Posted : Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:13:38 AM(UTC)
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thx for the info i think that ive looked at that boat and it has some issues

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#4 Posted : Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:01:44 AM(UTC)
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looking to buy nice low time 1987-1990 41 aft cabin
Remember - get a surveyor hired and paid by you, not the broker or seller. A tough sob who will tell you the truth even if you don't want to hear it
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:43:51 AM(UTC)
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Too true! Got one last year (to get different insurance) and learned a lot.

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#6 Posted : Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:59:41 AM(UTC)
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Take the advice from them two wise men heed their words & take to heart. The approx. $20 /$30 a ft. U’ll pay is well worth it.
One U should ask the Broker or owner if the boat fails the survey for any grievous reason like excessive pitting covered up wreck like bent ribs etc or anything that would run in the thousands of $$$$ they foot the bill for the surveyor & U walk, if they decline run don’t walk away from the whole deal. In my opinion either broker or owning knows there’s something wrong if they decline, especially the owner. I’ve did it the last 3 boats I bought. As stated in post above HIRE your own Surveyor. Liar & that's no BULL Liar

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#7 Posted : Tuesday, December 09, 2008 11:21:31 AM(UTC)
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The bottom line is this: If the owner really wants to sell, and the boat has defects the survey points out, you can use it to negotiate a better price. That pays for the survey, and maybe for some of the items that need repair. So YOU win either way.

Jeff
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:41:53 PM(UTC)
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"... if the boat fails the survey for any grievous reason .."
In fairness, Norm, if those reasons aren't spelled out some ###hole phony buyer could reject for pimples or something and try to get a free, just playin' around survey. The reasons you cited are good ones and good examples of the kind of thing that would exempt the buyer legitimately.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:17:55 PM(UTC)
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Joel, Jeff,

You have a valid point Joel, but how many ARS Holes would one run into besides than the
owner has a up to date survey which is also a good selling point & in good selling times 80% of
the buyers will except, as been displayed on this site as we’ve seen on this site time again.

The technique of confronting owner or broker with that question has worked for me especially
with private owners. Like yourselves U probably know every flaw nick & scratch in that vessel.
I’ll use as a example when I posed the question to the owner of my present boat his answer was
I’ll not only pay the surveyors fee but I’ll give U a $100 for your trouble. Being a staunch poker
player I can read peoples faces fairly well I almost relinquish the thought of having a survey done
than I recalled getting beat by a pair of deuces when I had three of a kind. So I had it surveyed it
pass with minor flaws that a majority of Big Ms have mainly the cockpit deck being soft around
the drains etc. which the PO had pointed out, in this one the $700 gave me piece of mind & OTM
has served me well in the past 6 yr I’ve owned her if & went I sell the ole girl I’ll offer the buyer
the same deal. But in my early years of boating it saved me a ton of $$$$ by having it surveyed, I
was looking at a beautiful 38' Sea-ray as it turned out the beauty was only gel coat deep after
Richard Facttini the surveyor gave me a call & said that vessels transom was about to fall off &
there where a # of other things wrong with it the owner confronted the surveyor & he showed the
owner why his transom rotted out to make along story short with Mr Facttini’s showing the
owner that the marina had installed his trim tabs without sealing the screws with a caulk the
owner payed the fee I was on my way & last I heard the owner was suing the marina. AnyWho
the morale of the story is GET A SURVEYOR the few hundred $$$ may save U a bundle of
~$$$$~ & many sleepless nights even if U can’t wheel a deal to pay for a failed survey but be
leery if the owner refuses.
Just remember in today’s market if one is so fortune to be able to buy a vessel U have the
hammer. There are oodles of vessels out there to be had that are turn key ready if one just takes
the time to search. Or if ones looking for a project boat use the discrepancies to whittle the price
down as Jeff, suggested. Think

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#10 Posted : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:50:08 AM(UTC)
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why are the asking prices of these boats so far out of line with what the book values from buc,abos,nada publish i can understand 2 to 3 years ago when money was available and easy but these big boats are not selling and the prices range from 149000,to 85000 with no consistency of condition or what kind of shape or equipment its got most of these boats have been on the market for over a year and i only know of one 41 that has sold ,it was real nice and went for 63500 , sound alot like the housing market!!!

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#12 Posted : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:14:16 AM(UTC)
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I'd like $30,000 for my '94 Mustang, but I would probably sell it to a guy standing in the parking lot with $3,000 in cash.

Make your offer based on the survey and the value to you. Never mind what they are asking.


1975 32' Flybridge Sedan, twin Perkins 6-354 diesels, 1:1.53 velvetdrives, 16 X 19 props. Merritt Island, Florida
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:15:39 AM(UTC)
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Does anyone know how many boats were actually manufactured?
41's- ???
32's- ???
and so on.
Age would not be a concern to me, but the mechanics would be.
For what I paid for my rig, I could have gotten a smaller boat and newer
but now that I have it, I wouldn't trade it, It grows on you.
Scratch my back with a hacksaw..........................
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:00:29 AM(UTC)
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Stan,
I'd like to know that info also.
How many 37 aft cabins,
How many diesels?

Roger
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:43:10 AM(UTC)
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mark wrote:
why are the asking prices of these boats so far out of line with what the book values
Asking price is one thing - whatever the seller thinks he can get. Sale price is where the seller will let it go and what buyer is willing to pay. In all things tangible, if sale price isn't satisfactory, say no thanks and walk away; there will be another one available. Or continue negotiations. Unless it is truly unique.
Joel Albert, Potomac MD
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#15 Posted : Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:46:10 AM(UTC)
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"why are the asking prices of these boats so far out of line with what the book values from buc,abos,nada publish ?"

These book values are not market values. They are the maximum value a bank will recognize for securing a loan. Some boat owners stick a "For Sale" sign on their boat the minute they buy it. I've been looking for an aft cabin for 4 years and there are a couple of over-priced boats that have been on the market ever since I started looking.

p.s. There is a 32 FB sedan that's been for sale on the hard near my slip for more than 6 years. No one has even taken it out for a sea test. In part, because it's over-priced and in part, because the broker it's listed with does a poor job of advertising and promoting its inventory. If you search "Marinette 32 ft New Buffalo Michigan" you will not find it.
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#16 Posted : Monday, December 15, 2008 2:53:44 AM(UTC)
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As A LIC. yacht broker for ALMOST 20 YEARS AND HAVING SOLD BOATS FOR OVER 50 YEARS I lost count when I had sold over 2000 boats years ago!!! So, I have been reading this post with GREAT INTEREST!!!!BOTTOM LINE---NEVER BUY A BOAT WITHOUT A SURVEY!!!!!!! Unless you are out rite STEALING IT-EVEN THEN YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!!!!!! I buy them all the time sitting in the slip,I put them in gear, shift and pay the $$$ or not. The trick is to know when to walk away down the dock. Paying CASH $$$ will also reduce the price further!! Plan on replacing 2 engines when you buy the boat!!! If you are lucky,you wont have to. REMEMBER!! THOSE ENGINES ARE GOING TOO,,, BLOW!! Trick is-- DONT BE THE OWNER OR THE ONE BEHIND THE WHEEL WHEN THEY DO!! EVEN THE NEW ONES--UNDER LOAD WILL-- BLOW!!! I have clients I have sold boats too 5 and 6 times!! I have NEVER BEEN SUED OR IN COURT!! If something I know is wrong with the boat I TELL THE BUYER!! HOWEVER I also tell the buyer,NEVER BUY A BOAT,WITHOUT A HAULOUT,SEATRAIL AND SURVEY!! I ALSO DONT PICK THE SURVEYOR!! I refer them to NAMS AND SAMS!!! The survey I feel is also for my protection, if something is wrong with the boat, that even the owner does not know about or I miss ( blisters,pitting,grounding,bent wheels,from a log hitting the boat in the current,while hes not on board,prevoius not done rite fiberglass work,not done rite work on bottom from prevoius owner and you haul to find 2-3 ft sheets of delaminated woven/roven hanging down from the keel,barnecles found,up under the bottom side of the steering colsole on a 31 ft Cigerette go fast boat,barnacles found up in the blower exhaust hose on a 36 ft Doral,DRIED SEA WEED FOUND up under the bottom side of the galley sink on a 38 late model Sea Ray!! ARE YOU GETTING MY DRIFT????) Thats when the surveyor looks up and says THIS BOAT EVER SINK??This is a GREAT TIME TO RENEGOSIATE OR WALK!!! A good surveyor will save you $$$$ Walked up to buy one, one time and the engines started to crank ON THERE OWN WHEN WE HAD TO JUMP ON BOARD FROM THE DOCK!!! NOW THATS STRANGE!! Seller told me it had been doing that ever since he had bought it with the WIRING SUNK IN SALT WATER, from Hurricane Andrew!!! NEVER BUY A SUNK BOAT,THE WIRING DOESNT LIKE IT!!I walked down the dock on that one!! Thought I'd here all thoughts before I logged in on this one!!! GET A SURVEY???? YOU BETTTTCCCCHHHAAAA!!!!!!!!!! Sorrydog
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#17 Posted : Monday, December 15, 2008 8:20:59 AM(UTC)
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Pick your surveyor carefully. Make sure he's a stickler for details and safety.

When I bought a Trojan F-32 the surveyor gave it a clean bill of health and wrote a nice report describing standard features of the boat in detail.

I found out later AFTER the closing that he NEVER EVEN STARTED THE ENGINES. If he had, he might have found the fuel leaking from the port and starboard fuel pumps or the faulty fume detector or the electrical outlet and wire nuts used to run 120 volts in the engine compartment, etc. etc.

It seems the guy had done so many Trojan F-32's that he simply dusted off the standard report and changed the date, boat name engine hours and registration numbers to fine tune the report. He was either a SAMS or NAMS certified marine surveyor on a list of "approved" surveyors provided by my insurance company. Yes, I did inform them of his shortcuts.

Although nobody is as thorough as I am, there are guys who do this for a living and are both thorough and have seen lots of things before and are trained on what to look for in your particular boat.
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#18 Posted : Monday, December 15, 2008 8:45:19 AM(UTC)
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That SOB should have been sued! I hope you got some compensation...

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HAUL OUT--SEATRAIL--SURVEY--BE--THERE--FOR--IT!!! Dont trust the BROKER, He has too much of a personal interest as he has a commision due from the sale, I have only done it a couple of times. If you have to get ,a knowlegeable boating friend to go if you cant be there. You want plenty of pics taken also, they are cheap. Sorry to hear a Nams/Sams guy did that! Good news is they get weeded out, however the damage is done by then! Give me his name and I'll take care of it for you.Sorrydog
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#20 Posted : Sunday, December 21, 2008 4:49:07 PM(UTC)
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going to look at a 41 that has always been docked 100 miles inland of the atlantic ( fresh water ) since new the owner says it has been in sea water usualy once per season for about a week at a time ,any tips on what to expect ????
mark
1987 32 sedan fb for sale, ky
price reduced would like to be in a 41 for this season!!!!
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