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Gypsy Girl
#1 Posted : Monday, March 02, 2009 9:18:53 AM(UTC)
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I just got back from The Girl and while there got a reading of 0.1 ?
Can not seem to find my book but 0.9 - 1.05 is normal ?
Getting old hurts the brain too..
Since a recent move to saltier water,a different marina,and colder water , I think I need to do some additional investigations..
I seem to remember disconnecting 12V and then 120V sources and checking readings again are a start to sourcing .
Was there not another or two things such as shaft sourcing ??
Any other checks ?????
Thanks in advance,
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#2 Posted : Monday, March 02, 2009 2:30:27 PM(UTC)
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Off the top of my head I cant recall what exactly needs to be done but zincs need to be changed from fresh water to salt water. I think Jeff may know exactly what types are best suited.

Be sure neighbor boats are not contributing such as faulty shore cords.

Check the analog meter with a digital meter and calibrate as needed.

Short the shaft(s) to the engine and see if the meter needle deflects. If the needle deflects while shorting your shaft(s) are isolated. Use 2 people for this test.

I have found colder water give better readings, at least in fresh water.

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#3 Posted : Monday, March 02, 2009 10:58:25 PM(UTC)
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A reading of .1 VOLTS is good; a reading of 1 on the original CAPAC meter is bad. Which did you look at?

You're looking for 0.90 to 1.2 volts.

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#4 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:38:45 AM(UTC)
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Jeff,
I don't think you wrote what you intended, Your last statment is correct, 0.9 -1.2.

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#5 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2009 1:34:01 AM(UTC)
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0.1 is on the meter when depressed...I did it twice and then a 4 yr old a third time to check me?
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Let me be clear on this. Do you really mean .1 (barely reading) at the very very low end of the scale...or 1. which would be in the upper range of the scale? If the former, you have a problem. If the latter, you are right in the groove, no problem. That decimal point placement is key.

As already noted, different type zincs required in fresh vs salt water. But here is where my brain shorts...I am not sure but I think the aluminum/zinc bar is for salt water and the other kind (magnesium?) for fresh. I will gladly edit this post if someone straightens me out. If we could go back more than 6 months in searching the site, we'd have the answer for it has previously been posted.

If you have point-one reading (low end of scale), you have to start work. If you were getting ok readings at your previous location, and haven't changed anything on your boat then I'd look for external factors (like the zincs) and the other boats' hookups and the power feed to your boat. Usually, AC current is not your big enemy, DC is.

(BY THE WAY: While this is a good post it does not belong in the "Althouse" category. It should have been posted in REPAIRS/electrical&corrosion)
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:28:01 AM(UTC)
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Joel,
From the Marinette members site, the proper anode alloy is designated "KA 90 or Sealloy 150"

Either Jeff was talking about an older different meter than we have "with the 0.1" or he did't say what he ment to say.

You are correct in 0.9-1.2, as was Jeff in the last part of statement.

Roger


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#8 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:59:17 AM(UTC)
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The Capac meter that came with the boats had a 1 to (something) scale that really meant 0.1 to (something) volts.

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:19:46 AM(UTC)
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0.1 far left,barely moves...
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:28:24 AM(UTC)
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Trouble! Could be a bad probe. Are you using the original Capac meter head?

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Just covering all the bases: is the boat in the water?
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:04:36 AM(UTC)
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Depending on the age of the unit there is a little water resistant cylinder in the bilge which houses the butt connector from the sending unit to the meter. I found mine to be a little green/corroded. You can unscrew the cylinder ends and inspect the connection. Perhaps water got into the cylinder if you have one and the connection is deteriorating.

Another thing to check is make sure the yard or whoever does the bottom paint did NOT paint over the sending unit.

If you use a digital meter you will be able to tell immediately if the analog meter is shot.

If I'm reading the numbers correctly I think its 0.3 >> 0.6 >> 0.9 >> 1.2 >> 1.5

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#13 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:41:57 AM(UTC)
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Karl,
Any idea where the connector might be in the bilge of a 72 , 32 sedan FB ?
I am using the origonal meter.
Anthony
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:02:23 AM(UTC)
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Anthony,

I’m not sure on a 72 sedan but on my 89 F/B sedan it’s under the galley table decking on the port side a bit of a job to get to. Plus a pic # 678 of the sensor. If your vessels outta the water look along the bottom than U'll know exactly where to start looking on the inside of the boat the connection that Karl mentioned is just above the sensor. Here’s a better view of the capac meter hope this helped Anxious

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Here is a pic of the connector and on the very right is the through hull. Its just threaded bronze pipe on the inside. Mine is between the engines almost under the floorboard in the engineroom.
Also is pic of the old connector and the new connector. I schmoozed the connection and the rubber seals with silicone grease.

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if anyone needs a connector like that it's the same as is used in connecting a deep submersible well pump.even though most people just use black tape. thats what your suppose to use.should be avalible at lowes.


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In my '88 sedan, the capac is near the port engine. Front side of the engine, near the boat center, sort of under the fuel pump. About where Karl described for his boat. You can't miss that pale green cylinder.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:00:33 AM(UTC)
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I was thinking , since I have an account with a marine supply company I would just order an entire set of zincs for my boat so when I pull her this summer (next named storm) I will have an entire set I can replace as needed and maybe strut and shaft bushings while I am at it.
Question is how many and what types, sizes, shapes of each will my 72' 32 sedan bridge require?
Anthony
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John Althouse's site has complete list. But here's what I have and it works well (for me). On each side of keel, a 3' bar. A one ft bar or equivalent in some other shape on each trim tab. A 6" round on each side of each rudder (two per rudder). An egg on the shaft is optional because the shyaft is supposed to be isolated and therefore, no corrosion should show there. But I keep one egg on anyway and it doesn't wear so I guess that means there is no galvanic action at the shaft.
Clean, bare metal surface at the attachment point.
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