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carlschlueter
#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:54:51 AM(UTC)
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I am in a quandry here- I saw a decent 84 in Louisville(I live in St Louis) this past weekend. Problem is that she is out of water and bagged so I could only see 40% of her. She has 318s and a new genset. Owner is not willing to unbag her unless offer is accepted. So I can not even do the normal things like making sure all works. I would have to rely on third parties to validate condition(engines, and comprehensive survey as well)

So what issues might I face- in particular with the craft being out of water for almost two years now? I am familiar with stern drives but not the in boards. Could there be issues with the rudders/shaft where they enter the hull? I am just not that familiar with that setup.
I would trust that the survey would uncover most major issues, but....


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AlumiJim
#2 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:31:57 AM(UTC)
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Well, unless things are very different in Louisville than the rest of the country, I'd suggest the seller realize that it's a buyer's market.

Our 32' Sedan is a 1989 with Chrysler 318's. My friend and I bought it in 2002, when it was 'only' 13 years old, half the age of the boat you are considering. We had a motivated and honest seller who was very open about every issue he felt was important regarding the boat. Note the key word: "felt".

We hired a top notch Marine Surveyor who spent 8 hours on and in the boat with us, including having it hauled and pressure washed for a hull inspection and also a sea trial run on the Potomac River to test operations while underway. His firm does not do engine surveys and we found a guy who we hope is no longer doing "surveys".

He ran compression tests on two of each of the engines' 8 cylinders. We knew from the sea trial that we couldn't get full rpm's but laid it off to tuning issues. Needless to say, one engine had two bad cylinders, which were not among those tested. So we ended up having two rebuilt engines installed two seasons later after spending countless hours bolting on new parts in the hope of getting the originals up to spec.

Don't get me wrong, I love this boat and have tons of faith in the 318's. But after 25 years, things wear out. The genset and engines are getting more and more difficult to find parts for.

Due to the nature of aluminum and water in the presence of electrical leaks, you MUST test for proper isolation and that can only be done when the boat is wet and that means not just splashed, but in the water for at least a week to allow everything to balance out.

Everyone on this site can tell horror stories and love stories about our Marinettes, but I personally would never consider buying one that has been out of the water for so long without having the best surveyors I could find AND a supportive seller. If you move forward with this, you can't find a better group of people to share your questions and experiences with, but enter the deal with your eyes open.

You didn't mention $$, but I assume you consider the asking price to be somewhat reasonable. Make your offer rigidly dependent upon satisfactory surveys and subsequent required repairs and enjoy your new boat.


JIM
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Friendship, MD
carlschlueter
#3 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:25:51 AM(UTC)
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I have just not had those warm and fuzzies with a craft out of the water. I was going to be offering in the neighborhood of 18k for her - figuring that transportation to StL would run 2600, engine analysis about 240, survey about 500, bottom paint 600 -- pushing the KNOWN total to somewhere around 22k+-. I know about the engines as my 1970 Gibson has a 318 and I could not get one of the hoses last year- had to fabricate one.
I am even wondering if 18 is too much to offer. As I said, I could nto see 40% of her due to the shrink wrapping, she was very dirty inside as well. Owner is wanting to sell, but will not put money into her- there is the reason for the shrink and the drydock.
Barkleydave
#4 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:40:38 AM(UTC)
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Rule #1 If the owner is unwilling to remove the tarp or whatever and allow a complete survey on the vessel then walk away!

Rule #2 Most insurance companies will require a survey prior to providing converage

Reul #3 Old boats will require updating and on an on. I spent 20K on mine after the sale and that did not include any major electronics, or rebuilding engines.

As to wet vs. hard. Both are preferred but may be difficult. It is the buyer's responsibility to pay for survey haul-out for hull inspections etc. I would prefer a wet survey and sea trial over just a dry dock inspection.


I bought mine on the hard but...
I spent 2.5 days going over every inch and every system.
I had a professional survey performed. (Mine was better!)
I negotiated some work after the survey. (needed new cutlass bearings, batteries, marine charger)
Sale was contingent apon a satisfactory compression test and the engines were run on the hard.

Now with all that I got a great boat but I also was prepared to replace engines since they 25+ years old.

After five years engines are still running well but could crap at anytime but that can happen even to a new rebuild. Just ask Jeff.

safe boating,
dave
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:42:36 AM(UTC)
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make offer contingent on passing surveys and sea trial, you can detuct for non functioning items. If owner not willing, find another boat. I wouldn't even make an offer without first seeing all the boat! There are many others for sale.

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AlumiJim
#6 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:24:57 AM(UTC)
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I'm on BoatTrader.com right now, they currently have 9 - 32' Marinette Sedans ranging in asking price from $19.900 to $39,900. There's one at 19.9 at Catawba island, OH and one at $28K in Pataskala, OH., Chatanooga, TN for 35K. Sorry, I haven't looked at the map, but freight isn't usually a deal breaker. When we were shopping for ours, I had a quote from Niagara Falls, NY to here in Virginia for $1,000.


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fastjeff
#7 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:40:04 AM(UTC)
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Jim is on the money! RUN away from that other one.

Jeff
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#8 Posted : Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:18:15 AM(UTC)
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No debag, no sale.

-Karl
1986, 32' Sedan, twin 360ci, 275hp Chrysler's w/ K&N flame arrestors
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#9 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 4:37:18 AM(UTC)
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When I bought Miss Cleo, I did have the opportunity to inspect and sea trial her myself thoroughly but the offer made and accepted was contingent upon a "successful" survey, haulout inspection, and surveyor sea trial. Problems were found and the price adjusted accordingly. It is my understanding that an offer with contingency clauses says that you'll pay that price if no problems are found for the areas identified by the contingency clauses - e.g., if you can't see the full hull and on unwrapping find a huge scrape but did not specify something related to that in the offer then you could be SOL. Specifying a successful survey is pretty safe I think because a legitimate surveyor wouldn't survey a boat without a full inspection and sea trial so anything in the report is fair game - you want to be present at the survey - that way you can be sure the surveyor puts anything that concerns you in the report even if s/he would not normally mention it.

You said "Owner is not willing to unbag her unless offer is accepted." To me, that just means that he wants to be sure that you have come to basic terms on the price assuming that no particular issues are found. For example, if the minimum he'd accept is $50K and the maximum you'd pay is $25K it would be foolish of him to eat the expense of unbagging/rebagging.

I'd figure out how much I'd be willing to pay for the boat given no issues other than any that I could see or were disclosed and then make an offer with sufficient contingency clauses to protect myself.

My $0.02 worth.
Richard
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#10 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 11:24:27 PM(UTC)
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Ok when I fell inlove with my 32 I looked at it from the road for a year.The guy had it in his famely for 13 years "it was his dads boat" He wanted 10k for it at the time, scrap was around 1+ a lb so after testing compresion on all 16 cyl test run the twins on the hard genaral apperance of the boat. I got it for 10k. after 2 bad ex manifolds blige pumps oil and filter changes. some other small stuff Ive got a nice 1973 32 on lake Erie that I took on a 400 mile round trip encounterd bad wether on it with no trouble. a bit crazy but you only live once. so my .02 is if you arn't permited to check out what you are about to envest some $$$ into its only worth scrap if the engins ,trans,hull,wiring,shafts cutles brng,ect are all good then you are ok. But price all the above then ask seller if he would pay 20 k or better for a chunk of aluminum with a couple of old 318s for parts and a few s/s deck parts. And be happy? if he says yes send him to me Ill sell him 8K lbs of scrap alu and a couple of blowen long blocks Ill toss in a couple of turbo 350s and Ill come out smelling like a rose. I love the big Ms but they are only worth their weight in scrap if every thing that makes them a boat is shot and if you have to pay some one to work on her you might just as well go buy a 250k dollar 25footer and not do any work on it, just ride around in it . PS mine was dry for 2 years when i first tested it
HP Chadwick bay Sunset Bay lake Erie NY boat name Sunrise 32' f/b fisherman chry 318 twin blue bastards,28'express singel 318
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