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tntinboat
#1 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:23:18 AM(UTC)
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I have actively followed the forum for several years. I just do not post very often. My question is related to the most popular subject other than painting and that is corrosion control and Capac readings. I have never been able to get readings over .70 on the meter in the 3 years I have owned our 1987 28' Express.

Our boat is in fresh water on the Little TN river. Last year the bottom was taken down to bare metal and redone with the correct bottom paint. At the same time the anodes were replaced with the recommended amount of Sealloy bar stock. I have also bolted a guppie I got from John at Marinette parts to the trim tab. I recently checked, cleaned and reattached the engine and system grounds. I also grounded the rudder linkage to the hull. Two weeks ago the strut bearings were replaced with new non-metallic bearings. The old bearings were also non-metallic. During the haul out it was evident that a small amount of corrosion was back following the new bottom paint last fall. I should add that our 1987 has the stainless rudder posts and rudders.

I have been all over the boat with a digital volt meter. The driver shafts are properly isolated at the coupler. I cannot detect any stray DC current leaking to hull from the engines or DC electrical system. I also checked the bilge water, nothing. The factory wiring harness is mostly intact. I have tried disconnecting the batteries, no change. It makes no difference if I am hooked to shore power or in the middle of the lake the readings are nearly the same. So an AC leak does not appear to be the issue.

I am using a recently purchased reference anode and the digital volt meter for my readings. However, the Capac readings I am getting are close to the same.

Do any of the "experts" have any suggestions!
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:05:19 AM(UTC)
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i don't think you should ground the rudder linkage to the hull.but i could be wrong.



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#3 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:11:28 AM(UTC)
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are you getting corrosion anywhere?
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:41:46 AM(UTC)
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tntinboat wrote:
...I am using a recently purchased reference anode and the digital volt meter for my readings. However, the Capac readings I am getting are close to the same.
Does this mean you verified the Capac analog meter to be correct? Thanks.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:19:51 AM(UTC)
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Bonding your steering linkage will put your SS rudders in the loop.. and that will deflect your readings.

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#6 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:24:21 AM(UTC)
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Correct. But if that doesn't do it, do yourself a favor and bolt a block of magnesium to the top of your trim tabs. Did that years ago (thank you Captain Wayne!) and have not had a reading below 0.9 volts since. Checked it just today, for that matter: 0.94 volts.

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#7 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:48:46 PM(UTC)
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I appreciate the quick response from all of the dedicated members of the forum. To answer some of the questions raised;

I do have some small spots of "popcorn" corrosion on the transom and on the hull aft of the rudders. As I noted in my post the bottom was completely redone in Sept 08. The boat is in the water year around.

I have confirmed using the reference anode and volt meter that the Capac analog reading is fairly close to the digital read out.

I tried bonding the rudder linkage to the hull after doing some research in Nigel Calder's "Mechanical & Electrical Manual". He devotes a chapter to electrolysis and corrosion control. However, I may be on the wrong track when an all aluminum hull is involved.

Jeff, I recall reading your reference to a block of magnesium as a supplemental anode before. Any ideas where I might find magnesium in that form?

Thanks Guys,
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:56:17 AM(UTC)
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The underwater parts that are not aluminum should be isolated from the hull and protected with their own zincs. If they are not isolated it will show up on the capac.

The exception seems to be the trim tabs, mine are bolted right to the hull. I keep them zinced and there has been no problem.

The hull itself is protected by the special alloy anodes that should be bolted to the keel.

Watch out for Nigel Calder. He is a popularizer, and he is one chart deep.


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#10 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:22:31 AM(UTC)
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Deffinitely remove the bonding wire to your steering linkage. The bearings on your rudder shafts (posts) should also be non-metalic.
After you un-ground the linkage, check to make sure your rudders and shafts (posts) are isolated from the aluminum hull. Right now, I think the aluminum hull is acting as a sacrificial anode to the more noble metal of the stainless rudder posts.
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fastjeff
#11 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:11:28 AM(UTC)
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One of these should do nicely:

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|299255|319712&id=853588

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:08:54 PM(UTC)
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dougrose wrote:
...The exception seems to be the trim tabs, mine are bolted right to the hull. I keep them zinced and there has been no problem....
The mounting screws for our trim tabs have plastic sleeves.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:04:17 PM(UTC)
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Meaning they are isolated from the hull? In my case, the block of mag attached to my trim tab is certainly doing the job of protecting the rest of the boat. That tells me the tab has to be electrically bonded to the hull.

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#13 Posted : Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:09:54 AM(UTC)
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Plastic sleeves on the trim tab screws are news to me, but I have not looked too closely there. That being the case, then all is as it should be - stainless and bronze parts isolated from the aluminum hull, and the hull protected by keel plates.


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