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scubaJ
#1 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2009 2:09:13 PM(UTC)
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My 1978 Sedan Bridge 37 is in dire need of paint from the rub rail up, especially the decks. The previous owner used Imron [for the color] and Awlgrip for the white , I think. Could be the reverse, I am not totally certain. Anyhow, the white paint is worn through in spots, cracked in many other places, cracked-loosened-gone-in other places and corroded around many rail plates and cleats. I have had my boatyard quote me a repaint price, a real thorough job, but the price, while probably more than fair at $ 16K, is way more than reasonable to put into this 30 year old queen. I have read many posts regarding repainting and now am totally confused. I will either use a Petit finish paint or Interlux. I plan on visiting their websites for info on prep work and compatible undercoats and fairing materials, but am looking for guidance from anyone who has had the "pleasure" of removing the brightwork, prepping the old surface, priming and finishing. It is likley the work will need to be done outside, as my inside storage spot is pretty dusty. I may have to repaint this fall or next summer while in the slip at the marina. I painted the transom 2 years ago after a "pro" had totally messed the job up. I used Interlux's 2 part system and rolled andd tipped it and it came out pretty nice. Some brush marks show, so maybe I should not have tippped or I waited too long to tip. Anyway, suggestions are welcome!
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2009 10:15:52 PM(UTC)
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2009 10:55:29 PM(UTC)
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ScubaJ, was 16 K for entire boat paint job, or just the rub rail up???
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:51:11 AM(UTC)
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How ambitious are you? If plenty, here's what you can do:

1. Get some 400 and 600 wet or dry sandpaper.

2. Using a hose constantly, and keeping the paper clean, 400 wet sand the paint with a rubber block inside the paper to keep it flat. Sand just enough until the surface is nice and flat. (Practising on some throw away surface is advised here.)

3. Wash the surface thoroughly, then repeat with the 600 wet or dry. (Optional: If your arm is still working by now, repeat with 1200 wet or dry.)

4. Using 3M Perfect It III (and nothing else), power buff the and compound the surface back to gloss. Harbor Freight sell a fine buffer and 8 inch lambs wool pads that work great. Use only the low speed setting and 'spur' the pad regularly. (Hit an autobody material store for the spur.)

5. Wash and wax the surface before bragging what an awesome job you did!

Jeff (body man for a half century)

PS: If you want to know what a surface prepared like the above looks like, check out my Lightnin' GT kit cars. 100 % of the surfaces were prepped in this fashion.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2009 3:50:39 AM(UTC)
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Not at Harbour Town-upriver at White Oak

Price was for rub rail up including flybridge, included removing all hardware, repainting stripes and maroon trim and rails, removing windows and resetting and recaulking, new screws everywhere, new gaskets, hardware back on. It was a real good price , I think, considering the scope of the work, just way more than the boat value will support. Or maybe way more than I want to invest at this point in time!
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2009 3:54:26 AM(UTC)
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Not sure I have enough unworn or uncracked paint to do that


Fastjeff wrote:
How ambitious are you? If plenty, here's what you can do:

1. Get some 400 and 600 wet or dry sandpaper.

2. Using a hose constantly, and keeping the paper clean, 400 wet sand the paint with a rubber block inside the paper to keep it flat. Sand just enough until the surface is nice and flat. (Practising on some throw away surface is advised here.)

3. Wash the surface thoroughly, then repeat with the 600 wet or dry. (Optional: If your arm is still working by now, repeat with 1200 wet or dry.)

4. Using 3M Perfect It III (and nothing else), power buff the and compound the surface back to gloss. Harbor Freight sell a fine buffer and 8 inch lambs wool pads that work great. Use only the low speed setting and 'spur' the pad regularly. (Hit an autobody material store for the spur.)

5. Wash and wax the surface before bragging what an awesome job you did!

Jeff (body man for a half century)

PS: If you want to know what a surface prepared like the above looks like, check out my Lightnin' GT kit cars. 100 % of the surfaces were prepped in this fashion.
fastjeff
#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2009 4:52:56 AM(UTC)
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..."I painted the transom 2 years ago after a "pro" had totally messed the job up. I used Interlux's 2 part system and rolled andd tipped it and it came out pretty nice. Some brush marks show, so maybe I should not have tippped or I waited too long to tip."

I meant there. That said, you can brush on the paint best as you can, then rework it as I described above. Other than sanding effort required, the end result will be the same.

Jeff
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:50:45 AM(UTC)
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I have tried painting by roll and tip, and it seems to require two people, one to roll and the other to tip. If you roll and wait to tip, it is too late.


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#10 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2009 8:27:49 AM(UTC)
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If you try to paint at the marina you will run into some of the same problems I have trying to paint outside. I taped my Rigid electric DA sander up to a mini-shop vac. That took care of all the dust but that rig is very loud. I went over my badly cracked and pitted paint once with 80 grit and twice with 120 grit. You have to degrease and de-wax the boat first or the sanding will just drive the wax right into the substrate. I tried MEK and Toluene but I damn near gagged. Also the Toluene melted some of the old paint. Still looking for a non-toxic de-waxer. I tried to leave the original brown primer layer where I could. Where I went through the primer I immediatey put on etching primer. I used Interlux waterproof filler to replace some deep cracks in the filler. My dang one part paint lifted right off of it. I had better luck with polyester finishing putty available from auto parts shops. My system did not include a high build primer and could not be rolled and tipped. I will make sure that on my other project boat I will remedy both of these drawbacks. I sent the flybridge and side cowls off to an autopainter to be done in a booth. He didn't like using my paint system but he got great results especially with the blue trim bands.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:03:02 AM(UTC)
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I saw an on-line video of a guy painting the side of his boat single handed using roll and tip. Amazing.. as he finished the tipping you could see his clear reflection in the work. He was an expert. He used the correct roller cover and natural bristle brush. His brush work was flawless and his paint stayed fluid until he was done. My paint is only to be brushed or sprayed not rolled. Use a system you can roll and tip so you can cover the deck areas more easily without all the tape and masking paper you need to spray. They probably won't let you spray at a marina anyway. I had to contact my spray equipment manufacturer to get over some problems. He suggested that maybe starting out on a 32' boat was not the best idea. I should paint the dingy first.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:26:04 AM(UTC)
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Now I understand. I might try that idea somewhere else on the boat, since the transom has decals on it that I do not wnat to do over! Thanks for the avice!

Fastjeff wrote:
..."I painted the transom 2 years ago after a "pro" had totally messed the job up. I used Interlux's 2 part system and rolled andd tipped it and it came out pretty nice. Some brush marks show, so maybe I should not have tippped or I waited too long to tip."

I meant there. That said, you can brush on the paint best as you can, then rework it as I described above. Other than sanding effort required, the end result will be the same.

Jeff
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:48:40 AM(UTC)
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I have used interlux toplack. Use a thin foam roller and a badgerhair brush. When you tip you just drag the brush over the fresh paint in straight lines one way. Try to stay out of the sun becouse it dries the paint too quick. Two people is best but the sides can be done easy with one.

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