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Pink antifreeze for engine winterization
DiverDennis
#1 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 7:32:02 AM(UTC)
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Do you use pink antifreeze for engine winterization? (new topic started from from "How To", Winterized the engine yesterday)

jc000 wrote:
I just started winterization of my 28 with single 318.? Took brass plugs out of block and water drained on both sides. Took brass plug out of manifold and got nothing. Does the block drain both? I had planed to use green AF but noticed you use pink, is it better? Do you let the pink go in water heater or water holding tank. Thanks for any advice on. John
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Poke out the holes in tha manifold AND risers with a small rod. Use Pink Stuff everywhere--the green is illegal where in can spill on the ground. Jeff
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The pink is legal and 1/3 the price. Even up here in Alaska I can find it for less than $4.00 a gallon. So use lots of it, cheap insurance! -- no fish today, have been getting some shrimp. Hope the pots are full in the morning. Been +50F here but it's getting dark at 6:30 PM here. Where did the summer go? --Ed
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#3 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 9:31:15 AM(UTC)
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Murray's / Orielly's Auto Parts has the -50 degrees pink stuff on sale this week. 3 gallons for $10.
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#4 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 10:26:07 AM(UTC)
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Don't forget to drain and fill the shower sump with Pink Stuff. Be sure to flush the head until you see Pink there as well, and put some into the tank below the toilet (if so equipped). I bypass my water heater to prevent having to fill it with Pink Stuff--just remove and connect the inlet hose to the outlet hose. (Takes a few fittings.)

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#5 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 11:58:40 AM(UTC)
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I winterize over 60 boats every year with the pink stuff and knock on Aluminum haven't had any problems as of yet. Just follow the directions given on this site and you'll be fine and back to enjoying your bigBigM in no time.Applause I get mine directly from Mercruiser
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#6 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 10:54:03 PM(UTC)
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..."...knock on Aluminum"

I like that! Would make a great name for a big M.

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#7 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:48:05 AM(UTC)
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By "pink stuff" I assume that we are talking about R V antifreese? Not the Pink or orange long life antifreeze.

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:03:13 AM(UTC)
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Correct. About 4 bucks a gallon for the 50 ' F below stuff at West Marine. DON'T buy the 100 ' F below stuff unless you live in Alaska.

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:14:04 AM(UTC)
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Hey guys,

Pink smink & all that utter stuff a waste of time Speak to the hand

Here’s a easy way to winterize your boats all it takes is a little cash put your BigM in heated storage for the off season that way U get to work on her all winter long Applause Now mind U it cost a few Penny’s more but I hear tell Jeff is giving bail out loans at 0% interest Eh? hear tell he ran outta room in his yard to bury any more leadlined cans full of cash Shhh

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#10 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:11:01 PM(UTC)
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Damn! I'm gonna fire that security service of mine!

Jeff
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Below is a table that gives the freeze and burst protection temperatures for various propylene glycol mixtures. Spectrum Chemical determined these values in 1997. The data is sometimes hard to find. Print a copy and store it on your boat.

The freeze temperature is the point at which the mixture turns to solid – that does not hurt anything. The burst temperature is where the frozen solid starts to expand – that is what cracks the block and other things.

My friends and I are using -200 antifreeze. In our case, I recommend that we dilute 1 gallon of -200 with 2.5 gallons of water. This will provide a 26% glycol solution with freeze protection to 15F and burst protection to -35F.

If you are using a refractometer to measure the strength of the solution, target for 12F freeze protection to allow for refractometer error.

% PropGlyc Freeze Temp Burst Temp Comments
0 32 32
5 30 17
10 25 4
15 22.5 -9
20 20 -21
25 16 -33
30 9 -50 Pink -50 Antifreeze
35 3 -58
40 -7 -67
45 -17 -75
50 -31 -83
55 -51 -91
60 -70 -100 Blue -100 Antifreeze
65 -71 -101
70 -72 -102
75 -73 -103
80 -74 -104
85 -75 -105
90 -77 -107 Green -200 Antifreeze
95 -78 -109
100 -80 -110

Blending -200 1 gal with 3 gal of water yields 22.5% glycol with burst protection of -25F
Blending -200 1 gal with 2 gal of water yields 30% glycol with burst protection of -50F

I don't know how to attach a spreadsheet, but I have one. If you want a copy that is properly spaced, send me a message.

Paul
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:01:28 AM(UTC)
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Please explain the difference between FREEZE protection and BURST protection for us. Up here in the Great North we use 50/50 etheleneglycol in our vechicles.


Doc, what happens when the heated storage looses power for 3 days? I will drain mine, but for now I'm a looking for one of them there block heaters. I'm thinkin even if my cooling system is open to take in raw water, if the boat in on the trailer the block heater should still work.
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ComputerJoe wrote:


Doc, what happens when the heated storage looses power for 3 days?


They have back up gen -sets that kick in when ever there is a power outage seen them test the unit last season while I was up there working on the boat the only thing that was a inconvenience was that the mercury vapor lights took a while to cool down & come back on, but I handled that well gave me time to open a Bud Lite Applause while I waited dang they came on to soon didn’t give me enough time to hardly finish it d'oh!

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#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:58:43 AM(UTC)
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ComputerJoe wrote:
Please explain the difference between FREEZE protection and BURST protection


When a glycol mixture freezes, it first becomes a "slushy" of individual frozen crystals that are floating in a liquid glycol suspension. This is good because, although it expands, it can still flow into voids as it expands, saving your block, pipes, fixtures, etc.
When a glycol mixture reaches its burst temperature, it means either the amount of glycol can no longer suspend all the water crystals, or in the case of pure glycol, the gycol molecules have become a solid and can no longer flow. They crystalize, expand and burst your block.

p.s. Christmas of '85 was one of the coldest here in Chicago. I had no garage. I started my car with the help of a jump, but the car soon overheated and boiled off some antifreeze mix. The ice had dammed up behind the thermostat. I had a jug of Peak antifreeze in the trunk. It had the consistency of jello. I think the temperature was around 25 below. I should have moved to Florida.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:01:09 AM(UTC)
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But then you'd worry about hurricanes wrecking your boat.

You can't win...

Jeff (PA: No earthquakes for a century, a rare tornado, minor hurricane damage, no flooding problem where I am....)
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Fastjeff wrote:
Jeff (PA: No earthquakes for a century, a rare tornado, minor hurricane damage, no flooding problem where I am....)


Jeff,

Looks like a resume for the “Were’s Waldo” position, Think
for one thing U ain’t in Kansas Bubba Shame on you

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Some people try to turn back their odometers.Not me, I want people to know "why" I look this way.I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:39:36 PM(UTC)
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Here in Northern Ky. we just got the -100 pink and it has directions for winterizing the water system and the engines. the -50 pink just the water system. At the boat shop he told me to use the -50 for the water and the -100 for the motor.

Mike
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A hundred below! Don't recall it getting that cold when I lived in Paducah....

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" I will drain mine, but for now I'm a looking for one of them there block heaters. I'm thinkin even if my cooling system is open to take in raw water, if the boat in on the trailer the block heater should still work. "




Up here in the frozen north the best and easiest heater I've found is the silicone heat pad. About $10, goop it up with silicone caulk and slap it on the bottom of the oil pan. On cars we put one on the tranny too. The heat will keep the oil warm and soak into the whole block and keep it warm. The only way to start a car when it's cold. --Ed
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I'm not suggesting anyone follow my practice... but here in Maryland and w/boat on the hard, I use -100 (blue-green) AF diluted 50% w/water for the engine. It supposedly contains some anti-corrosion properties. For the fresh water system, it's the pink stuff (-50 degrees) at full strength. So far, so good, even in winters where temps dip into single digits.

I think I read long ago that water expands to its max in the 20 degree range and actually contracts a bit on the way down. But by then, of course, damage is done. Now, I may have that confused with the fact that water does contract until it drops down to 39 degrees, then goes weird when the molecules re-arrange and it starts expanding.
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