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Pink antifreeze for engine winterization
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#43 Posted : Saturday, November 06, 2010 6:09:10 AM(UTC)
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Tundra...

Engine run again... just to be sure. As a newbie BigM owner (and like Jeff, I don't want to let go of my $ till absolutely needed <tho I don't have silver certificates like he do... Whistle >) it was just a matter of being safe, not sorry. It's a learning process and next year I'll have a better idea on what/how to do things.

To tell the truth, I've have (small) boats all my life. But since owning Sunset Seeker, I've never looked at autumn with a negative view - having to put the boat up for the year. Yeah, I know you folks in da "South"... you don't have that issue.

.. Oh well, maybe I'll make a snow BigM this year ... Liar

Bill
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#44 Posted : Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:02:00 PM(UTC)
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I spent a winter in Ketchikan with the Coast Guard, we had 12 inches of snow and 212 inches of rain. The sea water was warm all year and we still had block heaters on our 6-71's all year for Search and Rescue calls.
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#45 Posted : Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:22:02 PM(UTC)
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Warm all winter in Ketchikan? Is there some kind of "Gulf Stream" responsible for that?

Jeff

PS: Looks like a neat place to boat.
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#46 Posted : Sunday, November 07, 2010 9:18:55 AM(UTC)
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Fastjeff wrote:
Warm all winter in Ketchikan? Is there some kind of "Gulf Stream" responsible for that?

Jeff

PS: Looks like a neat place to boat.




Well, I've been having fun. Warm all winter? Compared to Fairbanks this is the tropics! +44F right now, and raining. The coldest I've seen is +10F. Had the boat in the water all winter last year because I waited too long to get it out. Road was too icy to tow it home. I can't imagine living anywhere but Alaska;
where the men are Men!--and so are the women.
And for you salmon fishermen, the famous Tee shirt say's " Ain't no nookie like Chinookie"
Should be working on the boat, never enough time or money. --Ed
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#47 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 2:47:32 AM(UTC)
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I had a friend (now deceased) who winterized his water system with a couple of gallons of vodka.
Everytime he visited his boat in the off season he would bring along a bottle of OJ & he was set.
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Doug Doty
#48 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 3:10:33 PM(UTC)
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That's it, end of topic, Dave Morris's post and his friends system wins hands down.....
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#49 Posted : Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:54:34 AM(UTC)
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Just put the ole girl to bed for the winter Drool Man those outboard plugs are a bear to get in d'oh! I need a few extra inches of arm (story of my life) Think... I struggled for awhile and said a lot of bad words...

One question...How many block drain plugs do you guys have? I can only find two per engine. They are located just under the 1 and 5 plugs.



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#50 Posted : Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:21:07 AM(UTC)
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Two in the block, plus 4 for the manifolds and elbows--six total per motor.

Jeff
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Jeff - I think the FWC engine has a different plug number/location...yes???
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#52 Posted : Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:46:44 PM(UTC)
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Yes! As usual, I was talking about my own boat with its RWC system. Duh!

With FWC all you need to do is drain the elbows (the manifolds are usually in the FWC circuit) and run the Pink Stuff through 'til it blows out the exhaust pipes. Probably take a couple of gallons, mainly to fill up and protect the muffler.


Sorry about that.

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#53 Posted : Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:00:58 AM(UTC)
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I replaced all my plugs with petcocks, too easy to cross thread those plugs while you are contorted and trying to get them in straight. Only problem is if rust plugs them but the water still drains if left sit. I blow compressed air back into the pet cock to clear it.
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#56 Posted : Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:42:47 AM(UTC)
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Guys, when I winterized with the boat (for the first time for me) with the guy who winterized the boat (in the same climate, cold N. Michigan weather) for the preveous 15 or so years, we started the engines with the raw water intake below the strainers shut off, with emptied strainers, and the hose modified so we could pour the pink stuff directly into the hoses with a funnel, ran the motors until pink came out the stern. My question to you is, because I'm thinking back to my old shop days 35+ years ago, why should you pull the T-stats hoses off if water will not get out of the engines until the Tstats open? Isn't that water going to be pure (or close to it) antifreeze if you drained your petcocks? The function of the stats is to recycle the block water until warm, right? How can pink stuff get out the back unless the t-stats opened, thereby flushing the T-stat hoses? I think that pulling the hoses may be an extra step or can water get by the Tstats somehow and get out the back? I asked the guy about pulling the hoses off the T-stats for a direct dump but the guy said he had never done that. Or am I reading two separate functions, winterizing without starting the engine vs with starting the engines?
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#54 Posted : Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:06:29 AM(UTC)
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ComputerJoe wrote:
I replaced all my plugs with petcocks, too easy to cross thread those plugs while you are contorted and trying to get them in straight. Only problem is if rust plugs them but the water still drains if left sit. I blow compressed air back into the pet cock to clear it.


Great idea ! Did you take your block plugs out and match the size at an auto parts store or do you have a online source that I could order from.

These would be great for the outboard block plugs. Not sure if the threads are correct.
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On my engines the outboard block plugs are nearly impossible to get to. I think it would be much easier for me to open a pet cock and blow with air every few minutes.

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One question...How many block drain plugs do you guys have? I can only find two per engine. They are located just under the 1 and 5 plugs.


With the engine being angled with the rear being low, how could a drain plug on the fwd (high) part of the engine drain the block?Think

After draining the block with the two Lft and rt plugs, I was able to get about 2.5 gal of pink antifreeze through the thermostat opening on the top of the block.




1985 Marinette 29 Sedan bridge
Twin 318s, 660 hours
New Edelbrock 1409 carbs (working like a charm)
Original Electronic Ignition, Blaster 2 coils, 90 deg plug wire universal kit cut to fit
Raw water system
Freshwater always
Located Pickwick Lake, TN,MS,AL


RETRO BOATS ARE COOL

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#60 Posted : Wednesday, December 08, 2010 9:58:37 AM(UTC)
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Jack:
I don't pull the t-stat hoses, I remove the thermostat itself to allow the pink stuff to immediately circulate through the block.
As you can see in the diagram below, the raw water pump will split the flow between the circulating pump and the top of the t-stat housing. With the t-stat in place and closed, the pink stuff will bypass the block and go straight to the manifolds.
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#61 Posted : Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:12:41 AM(UTC)
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Why don't you just run the engines till warm up/thermo opens ? Run it the whole time on the pink.. Isn't that the easiest, most efficient and thorough way?
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#62 Posted : Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:08:35 AM(UTC)
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collins69s wrote:
Why don't you just run the engines till warm up/thermo opens ? Run it the whole time on the pink.. Isn't that the easiest, most efficient and thorough way?
Sean


Think How many gallons of AF would you go through before the thermo opens? 30 gallons ???

Here's how I do it (my boat stay in water all winter):

1) Remove two block drain plugs (per engine), let drain, turn over engine starter a few times to get water out of main water pump,then reinstall plugs.
2) Remove 4 plugs from exhaust logs and elbow (per engine), let drain, then reinstall
3) Remove thermostat and pour in pink AF until block is full.
4) Install t-stat and cover.
5) Open salad bowl (water strainer)
6) Admiral starts engine while I pour 3 gal of pink AF through strainer (never run a sea pump dry). Turn engine off.
7) Pull coil wire and ground coil with jumper wire.
8) Spray Sea Foam down carb while Admiral turns engine over 15 seconds.

Crack open a cold one and wipe my brow.

I think I cover all bases... Eh? I learned all this here on the forum..Can you guys see any holes?


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Jack:
I don't pull the t-stat hoses, I remove the thermostat itself to allow the pink stuff to immediately circulate through the block.
As you can see in the diagram below, the raw water pump will split the flow between the circulating pump and the top of the t-stat housing. With the t-stat in place and closed, the pink stuff will bypass the block and go straight to the manifolds.


Phflaw,
My understanding of the raw cooling system is water comes in cycles through sea pump which supplies the main engine water pump. Then the water goes through the lower part of block and flows to the upper part of the block and out of thermostat (if open) then out fo the exhaust.

I found a great diagram...Here
I know this is a car engine, but ours should work the same except for exhaust cooling which is supplied directly from the sea pump.
1985 Marinette 29 Sedan bridge
Twin 318s, 660 hours
New Edelbrock 1409 carbs (working like a charm)
Original Electronic Ignition, Blaster 2 coils, 90 deg plug wire universal kit cut to fit
Raw water system
Freshwater always
Located Pickwick Lake, TN,MS,AL


RETRO BOATS ARE COOL

If the guys on this forum take their time to help you, have the courtesy to update your thread with the resolution.
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#64 Posted : Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:47:25 PM(UTC)
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You just recirculate with a barrel at the exhaust and a hose going to the sea water inlet from the same barrel..
Sean
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Jack Marchand
#65 Posted : Thursday, December 09, 2010 2:48:34 AM(UTC)
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First of all thanks guys for your responses! Second, thanks Peter for a great diagram, it illustrates the "t" that I did not know about from the seawater pump that puts the water in the exhaust logs right away. Well done!
75 FB express, "Big Enough II" twin 318s, 950hrs, raw water cooling, 1 to 1 transmisions, Beautiful Lake Charlevoix, MI

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Great idea ! Did you take your block plugs out and match the size at an auto parts store or do you have a online source that I could order from.

On my engines the outboard block plugs are nearly impossible to get to. I think it would be much easier for me to open a pet cock and blow with air every few minutes.

One question...How many block drain plugs do you guys have? I can only find two per engine. They are located just under the 1 and 5 plugs.


I used standard ACE Hardware brass petcocks. Wish I could tell you the threading but bring one of your plugs along with you. On the engine block they threaded right in. the exhaust logs were another story. They had been mis-threaded and corroded so the petcock did not have enought thread left to fit tight. So I got the shortest nipple I could, about 2", then taped and threaded that into the log. The a coupling and the petcock fit tight.

I have two engine block plugs and another two for each exhaust log...6 total.
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