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mark klusman
#1 Posted : Friday, January 01, 2010 11:18:05 AM(UTC)
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Okay , all you electicral engineers help me out. I'm not sure what this little item does. I was thinking it was for a security system. Lets hear some suggestions . Tried to trace it out but hell not much room to see. Didn't pay much attention to it when i had things tore apart in mar. & april. My bad!! Can't tell if it's orginal or add on.

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#2 Posted : Friday, January 01, 2010 12:10:16 PM(UTC)
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It's homemade, not factory, looks like the trim tab wires go to it. See if the bundle of wires are the same at the board and at the trim tab pump. Or just be brave and flip a switch and see what happens. Or, ask the previous owner if you can.
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#3 Posted : Friday, January 01, 2010 12:20:21 PM(UTC)
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Well that sure doesn't look like it's original. But from what I've heard Marinettes are customized for each buyer.. That being said, and with much scientific rumination I must ask: what happens when you flip one of the switches? You know, turn everything on on the boat and flip a switch.. Like the commercial where the guy is flipping the mystery light switch and he asks his wife if it's doing anything. She says no, but she's reading a magazine and looking but the neighbor's garage door is going up and down.. And what is there on your M that has a twin? Two batteries..Freshwater and waste water pump? Bilge pumps? Stereos, like one on the fly bridge and one at the main helm? I kinda think it looks homemade.. That's my two cents.
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#4 Posted : Friday, January 01, 2010 3:58:51 PM(UTC)
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It is homade and the relays would indicate that there is at least two A relays so significant amperagae is involved.
Trim tabs maybe. I am more concerned about the lack of USCG part 162 certification for ignition protected circuits in the bilge.

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#5 Posted : Friday, January 01, 2010 4:03:57 PM(UTC)
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Ed , Sean ;

Thanks for the info. I don't know how i missed this organism . I rewired and checked for degradation of any wireing back in spring but missed this. There's a small bulb on the left that was on. That's what catch my attention when i had the panel open. Flipped the switchs and everything on the boat still works. There are 4 really small wires that remind me of the ones used for securty on windows. I guess i'll leave well enought alone for now and its just a thing, but i hate things.
I believe i can run down the pryor owner; might help.

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RE. barkleydave , I'll check again , don't think TB's
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#6 Posted : Friday, January 01, 2010 11:47:16 PM(UTC)
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Mark,

Is that what ever it may be in the bilge Think to me it looks more like it’s in the excess compartment behind the helm station where all the gauge wiring & hydraulic steering system are located Think Just wondering Anxious

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#7 Posted : Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:10:10 AM(UTC)
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What are the numbers on the little black IC chip? They will prob be alpha-numeric.

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#8 Posted : Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:30:40 AM(UTC)
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Norm,

Your right on about where its at, in the access compartment behind the helm; as you probably already know on these 28ft's not much room and is in the head. As far as the bilge goes , i put 2 new pumps and float switchs and new wireing in a protective sleeve, didn't see any traces of this wiring. I dont use my bilge switch on my helm panel, think its kapoot. Everything on my panel works except the panel lighting. Removing this will be a nightmare, will most likely need a good marine sparky. Should have done that back in March when i had the cabin gutted. Like i said before , she had a good 1-1/2 FT. of water in the cabin
This past month i've redone the head but am thinking of taking back out counter,cabint and head and removing the wall behind the helm & make a bigger access . Would like to put in a new terminal block or upgrade, this one looks like it has seen its days.
Going up today to check my cabin and engine compartment heat. going to be pretty cold this week. Think i'll try to trace the wires again. Might take a pic if i find out wear it goes. Not to many people here to talk to ,even at the marina, they bring them in from Ktown. Sorry i went on so long !

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#9 Posted : Saturday, January 02, 2010 4:33:22 AM(UTC)
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Mark

Know what U mean about not much room thru that access door to work on in the area behind the helm that a good idea about making the opening & door larger gunna look in to that when I go up to boat storage soon. While viewing pix U posted I noticed one of two things that the survey insp. got me on is that the original wiring has fork type connectors now they want the circular type connecters per code I’ve got about 50% changed so far but as U say there’s little room to work in that area with limited light. So seeing U plan to redo or replace the terminal block U may want to keep that in mind. Well AnyWho when & if U find out what that electrical board controls are for clue us in to me it looks like who ever built & installed it seems like they knew what they where doing. Speaking of chilly it’s 11* with a wind chill of -09* @ noon seems like
the furnace hasn’t shut off $$$$$ yet d'oh!

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#10 Posted : Saturday, January 02, 2010 9:32:58 AM(UTC)
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Hi Mark,

I have some thoughts on your discovery. The IC looks like it could be a ne555 which is used as a timer from Milleseconds to hours, judging by the components surrounding it , the big fat capacitor may have it's cycle time in seconds or minutes. The 555 timer has a healthy output which can drive 2 relays easily and control 2 higher current circuits interlocked by the 2 switches. One could flash a light or 2, or cycle bilge pumps periodically if there is a known leak to be looked after. That socket used probably has lots of corrosion so the circuit may not be working, partially remove the chip and rock it to disturb the contacts. If you can trace the 4 wires shown at the bottom of the board you'll have the answer. Those wires are not big enough for more than 5 amps so I do not suspect trim tab pump controls. I made similar "breadboards" for alternator and other electric needs in the past decades.

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#12 Posted : Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:06:57 PM(UTC)
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Of course they don't do anything now, You hafta reload the torpedo tubes and open the doors. then flip them bad boys. Typically they will only work when a Sailboat is dead ahead.:d/
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#13 Posted : Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:53:11 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Kenny ,

I take in all the info i can. I'm pretty sure too that its not to my trim tab HPU because i replaced it when i had her out of the water a few months ago. I removed the 6 way to inspect the wires. You can bet i'll get to the end of it and learn something . Took the head back out today so i can get up close and personal. Am going to put a BIGGER access door in. I'm not too bad on the basic AC/DC but without a schematic for the helm going to need so help. Electrical not my forte so i'll make it a SCOBBY DOO MYSTERY.

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#14 Posted : Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:40:07 PM(UTC)
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Could it be a light flasher, heaters? There was two of whatever it was meant for. I noticed the 555 timer and two pots. Big cap probally to filter the DC spikes out before the IC.

Some sort of adjustable intermittant timer.

Are the heavier wires that run behind it connected or only the small wires leaving from the bottom?
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#15 Posted : Saturday, January 02, 2010 2:41:48 PM(UTC)
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ComputerJOE,

Not going to get back down to the boat untill Monday. I'll give you a for sure anwser on the big wires, but i think it's just mounted there. Hopefully were the small ones go to.

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#16 Posted : Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:45:42 AM(UTC)
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What are the two orange components below the relays in the pic? It's been awhile....
Jim

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trontek wrote:
What are the two orange components below the relays in the pic? It's been awhile....


They look like wire wound resisters to me.
Still you have to root around and see what it is conected to. The bundle of wires below it look like the trim tab wires to me, but they may be just there and not connected to the board. I think we all agree that it is a add on assembled on a breadboard, added by a previous owner, and not from the factory.
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Kennyz85 wrote:
Hi Mark,

I have some thoughts on your discovery. The IC looks like it could be a ne555 which is used as a timer from Milleseconds to hours, judging by the components surrounding it , the big fat capacitor may have it's cycle time in seconds or minutes. The 555 timer has a healthy output which can drive 2 relays easily and control 2 higher current circuits interlocked by the 2 switches. One could flash a light or 2, or cycle bilge pumps periodically if there is a known leak to be looked after. That socket used probably has lots of corrosion so the circuit may not be working, partially remove the chip and rock it to disturb the contacts. If you can trace the 4 wires shown at the bottom of the board you'll have the answer. Those wires are not big enough for more than 5 amps so I do not suspect trim tab pump controls. I made similar "breadboards" for alternator and other electric needs in the past decades.

Kenny



Ahhh!!! Not the 555. That was a staple in my electronics classes. The solution to everything unknown, 555 timer.
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#18 Posted : Monday, January 04, 2010 1:40:43 PM(UTC)
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Bottom pic is where the small wires go. Need to pull that bilge switch on the helm. Like was mentioned

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#19 Posted : Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:50:39 AM(UTC)
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Windshield wipers delay?

Don't know why they would be independently adjustable.

But if Doc had anything to do with it...it will probaly mix drinks or run the downriggers.

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#20 Posted : Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:55:12 AM(UTC)
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.."Don't know why they would be independently adjustable."

Why not? The wipers are on separate switches already, right?

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