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sandydaugherty
#1 Posted : Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:00:26 PM(UTC)
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I'm interested in a Marinette; the owner says its a '74, and the HIN is ALC10371172. It has a short block 350 and a very small looking prop. I would like to hear from owners what they consider the most important things to look for when buying this boat.

My intended use is cruising the Intercoastal in colder months, so I would also like to hear about staying warm on it! What should I expect for fuel consumption and range? Its a single engine and I'm used to twins; whats your best advise for docking in a crosswind? [or should I just give up and get a stern thruster?] What is the recommended choice for an autopilot? What is an appropriate anchor for muddy bottoms?
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#2 Posted : Saturday, February 27, 2010 2:19:42 PM(UTC)
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The H.I.N. indicates the hull was layed in November of 1972

You will find the single will handle very well even in a cross wind.
Your trans will be 1:1.

You can expect approx 6.5 gph fuel consumption.

An autopilot... there a lots out there not sure how much use you would get on the intercoastal however.

Salt and brackish water I would look at fresh water cooling if not already installed.

West Marine has advisory on anchors and use. A plow or danforth would work great.



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#3 Posted : Sunday, February 28, 2010 12:58:43 AM(UTC)
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might checkout the 87 posted called tough decesion
Scratch my back with a hacksaw..........................
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#4 Posted : Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:14:20 AM(UTC)
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Thank you both. I have more questions:

What is the largest diameter propeller used on a 28, without creating vibrations? I've been reading the threads here about diesels, and am not seriously considering a swap, but enquiring minds want to know....

What speeds are recommended for best economy cruise, and high cruise? (please assume a slightly over-weight boat, like everything else I touch.)

The exhaust pipes are below the top of the bottom paint (the boat is on a lift) is this good?

What bottom paint is best for an aluminum boat on the Chesapeake Bay?

I may have misunderstood the owner, but I believe he said he just used any bottom paint, and that makes me nervous. Is it OK to soda-blast the old paint off?

Has anyone installed a stern thruster on a smaller Marinette? I know that the stern is the last place I would want to add weight.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:27:19 AM(UTC)
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First: welcome to the forum.

Second: You will find most if not all of your questions are found in the archives.
Suggest you enjoy a cruise of the site. If you are unable to find an answer there are multiple optinions expressed on a variety of subjects.

Also suggest you visit John Alhouse Marinette site. He has posted factory specs on our boats which include prop sizes for each vessel etc.

safe boating
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#6 Posted : Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:52:06 AM(UTC)
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I owned a 28' for years and liked it very much. Mine was a single engine converted to diesel (yeah, I'm that diesel nut) but it now has a chrysler in it and the lady who bought it likes it very much.

staying warm: You have no insulation, just reflective foil on the hull side of the interior. I used reflectix, from Lowes, taped or glued to the back side of the interior panels. This is the easiest fix I know. If you put foam between the frames, then you will have cold spots where the frame is. Welcome to aluminum. I use an oil-filled electric radiator at the dock, and it suffices down into the 40s. On the hook you will need something that burns fuel. Under weigh you can get heat off the engine. Check out Hamilton Marine for suitable stuff - they are in Maine and they know cold. I don't know how late you want to be in, but I am in Alexandria, VA this winter and it is pretty cold.

docking in a crosswind: I wouldn't buy the thruster until you have tried handling the boat.

autopilot: Hydraulic is best. Don't spend the money until you have tried running the boat. I don't think it needs one, even if you are alone on board. You must maintain a watch under weigh, so while you are watching you might as well steer.

anchor for muddy bottoms: I use a Guardian (cheap Fortress, like a Danforth but aluminum), a Bruce (claw), and a Herreshoff (yachtsman) at different times. The Guardian is far and away the best in mud. The claw works well on a mixed or hard sand bottom, and the yachtsman can be trusted on rock or hard marl. In the Chesapeake I would go for the Guardian. Don't pay extra for the fortress, it isn't any better. I have not actually cruised the Chesapeake since around 1950, so get opinions from some of the local guys.

propeller: you can probably go up an inch in diameter, that's about it. you can go to four blades, I think FastJeff has done this.

speeds: a fuel flow meter is worth the money.

exhaust pipes: it is common to run the bottom paint up past the actual waterline. The exhaust pipes should be above the actual waterline.

bottom paint: there is a ton of information on this forum about bottom paints. I use trilux 33 with biolux (in Florida) and it works well. I pay a diver to scrub the hull to expose new paint about every 6 or 8 weeks. find out what the local guys use.


1975 32' Flybridge Sedan, twin Perkins 6-354 diesels, 1:1.53 velvetdrives, 16 X 19 props. Merritt Island, Florida
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#7 Posted : Sunday, February 28, 2010 5:25:35 AM(UTC)
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Thank you Doug, that was very helpful. I'm a gadget junkie and would definately go with a fuel flow meter. Being a Garmaholic and a floor-sweeper 2nd class at West Marine, I could have a field day if I can get over my alumaphobia.
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The exhausts on my twin engine 28 are half covered with bottom paint, but are above the water line.

There are lots of good buys out there, so if you really want a single that's fine, but you should also be able to get one with twins for a good price in this market.

I agree with Doug. Try the boat out before you decide what it needs.

Good luck and safe boating.
Joe
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Twin 318s, raw water cooled
Ohio River
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#10 Posted : Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:09:31 AM(UTC)
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What speeds are recommended for best economy cruise, and high cruise? (please assume a slightly over-weight boat, like everything else I touch.)
If you are planning to get a fuel flow meter, that will give you the answer to your efficiency question because the results depend on a few variables. Watch it til you see the fuel usage drop as you get on plane. Some flow meters, tied to a GPS, give you more detailed info. Typically, though, best efficiency comes just after the boat gets up on plane. Not sure what you mean by "high cruise."

The exhaust pipes are below the top of the bottom paint (the boat is on a lift) is this good?
I'd be careful about backing up - or following seas - with exhaust pipes under water unless you have a pretty good uphill slope to the engines. Consider a set of flaps to prevent backflow. Jeff long ago posted the budget-conscious boater's guide to making one yourself. I guess an advantage of underwater piping would be less noise.

What bottom paint is best for an aluminum boat on the Chesapeake Bay?
I dock not far from you, at Deale. I've used both ePaint (ZO No Foul) and Trilux 33. There are lots of posts on this on the site but I once did a "scientific" comparison test. WIth the assistance Norm "Doc Snow" (as I recall) put ePaint on one side of an aluminum bar and Trilux 33 on the other. One year, ePaint won, the next year it was far in 2nd place. So I have switched to the comparably priced Trilux 33 and have been getting decent results. A mid-season dive for scraping really helps though because, well, it's the brackish, warm bay and stuff just grows.

I may have misunderstood the owner, but I believe he said he just used any bottom paint, and that makes me nervous. Is it OK to soda-blast the old paint off?
I'd be nervous, too. You cannot use any old paint on an aluminum boat as you probably realize. I soda blasted (actually recycled glass stuff) two years ago and it made a nice difference in speed, upping the top end considerably with a smooth hull. Now, I put on a single coat in the spring and it lasts pretty well. Again, there are numerous posts here detailing the process with advice from the mfr of Trilux. And photos.

Much good luck with your toy.
Joel Albert, Potomac MD
"Charlie B" - 1988 32' FBS
Twin 318's/FWC/16x15 nibral props
docked Deale, MD
Dave Morris
#11 Posted : Monday, March 01, 2010 8:46:49 AM(UTC)
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Sandy
Keeping warm underway is easy & not very expensive. West Marine page527 is Heater Craft "hydronic heater kits" . All 4 Marinettes here in WV have them. We all use our boats down into the low 30's and very comfortable. It works off the cooling system of your engine, we usually switch t-stats from stock 140 degree to 160 degree for the winter for a little extra heat.
I had a single 28 for a while & I still have a single 78 Trojan F-25. Singles take a little practice to back up but you will find that they are very predictable & will always react the same. Practice, practice, practice & you will be OK!
Single 28 was not the fastest boat I ever owned but cruised nicely with reason fuel consumption.
`You will enjoy it.
Dave
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5.8 Chryslers 275hp each.
Charleston Boat Club Kanawha River Charleston WV
sandydaugherty
#12 Posted : Friday, March 12, 2010 2:48:52 AM(UTC)
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Does a 28 have hydraulic steering?
Dave Morris
#13 Posted : Friday, March 12, 2010 4:06:37 AM(UTC)
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Not originally, In early 70's hydraulic was not available for this type boat. It could have been added over the years. If it is hydraulic you would have a cylinder mounted @ the tiller arm on the rudder shaft. If not a push pull cable would be attached to tiller arm.
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