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Deck and bridge paint?
anchor201
#1 Posted : Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:00:53 PM(UTC)
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Ok I am sure this is covered in here somewhere but I can't find it.

What is the paint of choice for everything above the waterline? (Not color of course just type). And who is a good supplier?
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#2 Posted : Thursday, April 08, 2010 2:41:58 PM(UTC)
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you opened a can of worms. Start spinning thru the forum's paint section. Lots of pertinent threads. Some of us like Awlgrip, others use other brands of two part epoxies, some use one part paint. Bur prep is the key. GOod luck
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#3 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 12:50:25 AM(UTC)
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Epoxy paint sticks well to any prepped surface, but tends to chalk eventually. Polyurethane paints need careful prep, but the shine lasts. Awlgrip and other catalyzed polyurethanes require a lot of skill to apply, one-part topside paints such as Easypoxy or Brightside are very easy to apply.

I used to put premium paint (Imron) on aircraft, because they are not subject to wear: you want the best sun resistance. On a boat, the decks and cabin sides (even hull, if you are me) get banged up with dinghys, the wrong shoes, and me lumbering around, so I use something I can fix with my poor skills. I use a high-build sandable epoxy primer over original paint (sanded) or over metal etch and zinc chromate, and then roll Easypoxy over the sanded epoxy primer. This is easiest: the epoxy primer sticks to anything, and the sandable means that it is easy to prep. Unlike classier coatings, Easypoxy rolls right on in three thin coats and looks pretty good for an amateur like me.

Some guys on this forum do gorgeous paint work. Some of the boats are just wonderful looking. I have neither skill nor time to do that, if you need advice on that kind of a job, go elsewhere :-)


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#4 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 1:12:54 AM(UTC)
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It is a matter of personal pref. and the size of your pocket book.

Two part paints are best applied by spray with lots of prep and controlled environments. These professional applications are VERY EXPENSIVE. (One quote for mine was 30K. Not for me. The insurance complany reminded me that the N.A.D.A. value was 12-18K.

Two part paints either look fantastic or like crap.

I agree with Dougrose. I have had years of experinece with Interlux Brightside. It is very forgiving and can be applied with roller then "tipped". I have also used brush on vertical areas tipping only and it works well. It will hold up well and on decks can be recoated with minimal prep if the base is solid.

If your boat is moored on a covered dock then you will find the paint will hold up for many years since it is not being baked by the sun all day.

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#5 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 1:26:52 AM(UTC)
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Thanks a ton everyone, I tell you a ton about fiberglass and even carbon fiber but for metal I am starting at 101.. I think I will go with the roller and brush concept as anything in the 30K range is out of the question.

Once again trying not to sound stupit, but what is Tipping?

Thanks again
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#6 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 2:13:44 AM(UTC)
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Roll and tip means to roll the paint on with a roller and then immediately smooth out any bubbles using just the tips of a high quality brush.

BTW, in Norm's world, it's reversed. Tip and Roll means it's a typical Friday night.
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#7 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 3:30:57 AM(UTC)
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#8 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 3:34:58 AM(UTC)
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Thanks I did a little research and found it. Feel pretty stupit..... but anyway its a good thing I can create software because I would starve as a painter....
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#9 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 4:11:02 AM(UTC)
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I'm kind of stuck with my paint choice. I bought a one part paint which is designed for spraying or brushing only. I then got a Fugi HVLP spray system for about $800 bucks. If I take a do over I would get a one part system that I could spray, brush roll or roll and tip. I also need a paint I can have tinted to the color I have already used. I sent the flybridge and side cowls out to a auto body shop to be professionaly sprayed in a booth with my paint. These are the pieces with the blue trim bands. They did a great job and I highly recommend farming these parts out. I screwed up the rest. I have to redo half of it. It would go a lot faster if I could roll and tip the deck areas which get walked on anyway. Also I am working outside under a tarp. Every morning the deck is completely wet with dew. If you want to spray get inside.

I chose 1 part. 2 part is more toxic than one part. Don't ever spray 2 part yourself. Some guys blast the hull down to bare metal and dig out and replace the considerable amount of filler. Not me. I sanded a lot (80-120-150) with my dual action until I got down to paint which didn't want to come off. You need a whole compatible system. Mine uses an etching primer. When I sanded down to a bare aluminum I used a trim sprayer to prime it immediately. I wish my system included a high build primer. I am painting an original finish with a lot of cracks and pin holes. Marinette put the top coat on too soon to begin with. I would like to have sprayed on a whole layer of high build and sand it smooth. Instead, I used Evercoat Easysand, a flowable polyester finishing and blending putty, was compatible and dryed very fast. Where I lost deep chunks of original filler I used Interlux watertite epoxy filler. I didn't like this stuff. It shinks. It is very hard and you need to sand the crap out of it after it cures or the paint will fail. I'm going try regular epoxy with micro-balloons next.

What you will learn quickly is that it is not how fast you paint that counts. It is how fast you can prep, cover and tape. If you spray you really need to learn how to cover and tape because you have to cover most of the darn boat. I got a masker blade that applys taped plastic off a reel. I think a paint you can roll and tip will serve best especially in the future when you want to touch an area up.

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#10 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 4:32:01 AM(UTC)
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I spent my working life developing software. When I retired I starting working on my boats. I figured it would be easy for a smart guy like me. WRONG!!!. With software you sit in a cubicle making boring electronic models and telling yourself you are being creative. Boats are exciting and very real. My fingers lacked any skill beyond pounding on a keyboard or moving a mouse. I should have started some mechanical hobby much earlier. Now if I had to make a living fixing boats I would indeed starve to death. It is like if I had to rely on hunting for meat I would be a vegetarian.
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#12 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 4:57:21 AM(UTC)
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Yooper, keep us posted on the painting progress. Your bravery and the good pointers from the forum crew is making me feel like I might be able to paint my boat. I like the Dougrose approach.
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#13 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 4:59:37 AM(UTC)
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There should be some videos on-line showing some rolling and tipping. I found one where this old guy was tipping out the side of a hull section. As he finished his reflection showed up in the work like he was looking in a mirror. Just goes to show you what a few decades of experience count for. What it didn't show was the paint type, or what his big black brush was made of. Even though my manufacturer says not to roll their paint I am going to try anyway. I got a sheet of glass to practice on. I'll try a foam roller and a natural bristle brush. I also got a paint thickness gauge. When I tried brushing my paint it dried very fast. I got to thin it more or find an additive to retard the drying. In researching other paints I found some systems had very detailed specifications and numerous special additives to aid in application. You buy these expensive boat paints by the quart. Buy a little at first and practice with it.
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#14 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 6:16:50 AM(UTC)
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Great info everyone, thanks. I will be starting sometime next week. The boat is on the truck and on its way here (Louisville) as we speak. She goes in the water tomorrow. I will send pictures.
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#15 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 6:54:14 AM(UTC)
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IMHO the best brush I have used (an old salt taught me to tip in 1979) is a Badger Hair Brush. They are not really Badger hair but at one time they were. I use them for tipping paint and varnish. I treat them like fine china. (They are expensive but last a very long time when used tip paint. (Very little paint is actually on the brush)

Now you must thin Brightside so it will tip properly. It will be too stiff out of the can. You can use 216 and I believe it is 303 brushing thinner. The brushing thinner slows the tack enough so you can tip it out. The hotter the day the more you need the brushing thinner.

DO NOT PAINT LATE IN THE DAY. If there is any chance of dew it will mess up the cure and it will come out dull and soft.

Sand lightly with 220 emery between coats.

If you get a lace curtain after you have tipped LEAVE IT ALONE! Going over to try and touch up work will make a mess out of it. Imperfections can be sanded smooth prior to your next coat. Two coats is usually enough over a high build primer.

I have found Hatteras White is a very close match to the orginal Big M white on the hull.
Pettit Electric Blue is a close match to the orginal blue strips and stern rails.

safe boating,
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I am buying mine from Schilling Enamel in Cleveland. His prices beat anything else I have found. I am painting my bottom next week with his bottom paint, and ordered my top paint from him today. He is very helpfull if you call him. Mike on Ohio
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#17 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 7:54:26 AM(UTC)
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Joe,

Dave instructions are good & to the point follow as he says he does have one thing that may be confusing the # on the brushing thinner it’s actually # 333 & InterLux name is 333 Brushing Liquid. I recommend it highly & by all means do USE a Badger Hair brush. The combination of Brightside, #333 at 5% & a Badger hair bushed looked so good that the boat owner next to me in the storage building told the manager that I may be spraying painting in the building. After 4 years it still looks good
BTW there are 2 Hatteras off white ones a little more creamier so if possible take one of the little 4x4" inspection plates with U to get the closest match & like everyone stated PREP is 95% of a great looking finish Enjoy the Labor of Love Applause

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#18 Posted : Friday, April 09, 2010 10:59:18 PM(UTC)
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If you elect to do the 'tip and roll' (which works great) be sure to choose an overcast day. Don't try it with the sun beating down or...

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#19 Posted : Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:13:07 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Docsnow... I was having a "senior moment" #333 Brushing liquid.. maybe I have sniffed too much of it.

Jeff is also correct.. Painting it direct sun is a pain. It will tack way to fast even with the brushing liquid.

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#20 Posted : Sunday, April 11, 2010 1:57:43 AM(UTC)
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Lots of great advice here from guys who know a lot more than me.

Still, I would like to mention that I was taught to use a fine foam roller and to put the paint (Easypoxy) on with an almost-dry roller, running over it again and again until the little bubbles are gone from the surface. This eliminates tipping, which is best done by a second person, usually not available.

The roller should be dry enough that the first coat goes on so thin that you can see through it, i.e. the color of the primer still shows a bit. Second coat, about the same. Third coat should be with slightly thinned paint and thicker, to get a better finish. I use the additive that gives a matte finish, which I think looks good on metal boats and suits my modest skills.

In Florida you will not find a marina that allows spray painting.


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#21 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:10:51 PM(UTC)
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I have had decent success with Interlux Toplac (mediterranean White) using roll and tip. Toplac is a 1 part paint. I would not even think of a 2 part paint unless I had lots of equipment and a covered building. Foam roller and foam brush work well. Cut the paint with #333 brushing liquid. Post back if you need more tips (no pun).

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