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Tom Powell
#1 Posted : Friday, April 23, 2010 5:32:47 PM(UTC)
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I have two 318 engine blocks that were ran in salt water, and also neither engine was properly winterized. There are freeze plugs that are popped out too. What is the probability that these blocks are not rebuildable? Please let me know what your thought are as I am contemplating haveing the blocks hot tanked and pressure tested. Is this a bad idea, or in your opinion is this a waist of time? I know ordering a short or long block is always an option as well. Just wondered if any of the grey beards in this forum have any words of wisdom?
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#2 Posted : Friday, April 23, 2010 10:03:54 PM(UTC)
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If the engines froze to the point of pushing out the freeze out plugs, then I would say there is a 90% chance that you will find the block is cracked on top of the engine in the valley under the intake. Assuming they are raw water cooled, the salt water will have corroded the head bolts, water pump bolts, and manifold bolts. In salt water repair, the standard practice is to double the flat labor rate for repairs requiring disassembly.

I would just buy new long blocks and be ready to replace the exhaust manifolds too. In salt water with raw water cooling, the life expectancy for a cast iron v-8 is about 5 or 6 years. I have never seen a mechanic try to rebuild these v-8 engines. They just replace them and send the cores into the reman shop.
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#3 Posted : Friday, April 23, 2010 11:01:35 PM(UTC)
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Hate to say it, but both motor are junk. If you pull the intakes, you'll notice a long crack in the block on both sides, just below the intake. The heads MIGHT be salvageable, but they'll need to be checked by a machine shop for cracks.

The good news (??) is that rebuilt, small block Chryslers are cheaper than Chevies.

Sorry.

Jeff

PS: Many have the mistaken opinion that "core plugs" (which allow the sand core to get out of the block after it is cast) are "freeze plugs" since they also pop out. Unfortunately, it's already too late for the block when they do.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, April 24, 2010 1:35:31 AM(UTC)
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I left my single 28' with a marina to be winterized and shrink wrapped. They marked the hull as winterized and shrink wrapped it locking me out so I couldn't check the work. That spring I moved the boat 900 miles away and launched it. The engine was frozen and the "freeze plugs" were laying in the bilge. The engine would not turn. The big lesson here is if you have a yard pull your boat you must have them put it back in. That way they are liable.

A further series of screw ups followed.

The new yard guy ordered and installed the wrong rotation engine.
I let him keep it. He had to find another prop and starter.
I had him junk the old log manifolds and install center dumps. They were too low and water washed back into the engine.
We couldn't get the ignition squared away until we installed an electronic system.
The engine still stalls out at about 2400-2700 rpm and you have to back off. I need to check the fuel pressure.

It is true that Chrysler long blocks are fairly cheap. Buy from a re-builder not a broker. The big problem with all long blocks is all the old crap is bolted right back on the engine. You have to seriously consider buying current production crate engines (with EFI to keep it simple). They do come on sale periodically.

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#5 Posted : Saturday, April 24, 2010 7:41:02 AM(UTC)
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Maybe I got lucky............last year at launch time. We were tied up at the dock and when I started the port engine, water was rolling into the bilge. The freze plug on the port side of the block closest to the raw water pump came out. We tapped it backin and all was ok. Ran all summer with no problems, Felt very lucky that was all that happened.
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Dave Morris
#6 Posted : Saturday, April 24, 2010 9:01:20 AM(UTC)
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On a FEW occasions I have sucessfully installed new core plugs ( thanks Jeff ) & the motors lasted years. Use new plugs & put a gasket sealer around them when you install them. Start motors on a hose don't launch because you may have to pull it right back out. don't reve the motor just let it idle so you don't do major damage if you have water in the cylinders.Watch the oil if you start to get a milk shake your done. If it runs let it run long enough to build up plenty of heat in the block, sometimes cracks do not open until hot.
If you get any water in the motor just replace them, freezing & SALTWATER have killeed them.
I prefer to use long blocks as opposed to short blocks because builders will usually give you a better warranty on long blocks.
As yooper said NEW stuff with EFI is the ultimate way to go but a little more expense & a little more work. New motor mount location & adapting wiring harnes's
Dave
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