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Turn on my oven and I get SHOCKED!
dequity
#1 Posted : Friday, April 30, 2010 2:14:03 AM(UTC)
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Wow. What a rude feeling.d'oh! So I go to the boat last night, turn on the power to the stove via the 120 switches, then when I turn on the top side and go to heat up some soup I get shocked when I touched anything metal on top. What could this be? The stove still worked. (Got Hot)

Is it time for a new stove or is this a grounding issue? Hope this doesn't create some absurd amount of electrolises.

Please advise.

It's a 75 37' ssedan with twin 3208s.
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#2 Posted : Friday, April 30, 2010 2:29:09 AM(UTC)
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Electrolysis isn't your problem - electrocution is. You've got an obvious wiring problem, a short and need to change your drink of choice to ice tea/coke/cold beer instead of hot soup until it's resolved!
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#3 Posted : Friday, April 30, 2010 2:32:41 AM(UTC)
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It sounds like you have a short to ground. It's not tripping the breaker because your not pulling enough amps and there is no GFI.
My stove is plugged into an outlet behind and below the cabinets. That outlet may be mis-wired at the outlet or at the breaker.
Test it with one of those yellow plug-in testers with lights.

The other possibility is that a hot wire in the stove has shorted to the metal frame of the stove, possibly by wearing through the insulation.
This happened to my fridge and my alternator output wire.
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#4 Posted : Friday, April 30, 2010 3:01:36 AM(UTC)
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Pfhlaw wrote:
It sounds like you have a short to ground. It's not tripping the breaker because your not pulling enough amps and there is no GFI.
My stove is plugged into an outlet behind and below the cabinets. That outlet may be mis-wired at the outlet or at the breaker.
Test it with one of those yellow plug-in testers with lights.

The other possibility is that a hot wire in the stove has shorted to the metal frame of the stove, possibly by wearing through the insulation.
This happened to my fridge and my alternator output wire.


I've not touched the wireing of the stove. So something must have worn through... Guess I can do a shock test and see if it happens with the oven or just the top area.
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#5 Posted : Friday, April 30, 2010 3:07:58 AM(UTC)
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dequity wrote:
I've not touched the wireing of the stove. So something must have worn through... Guess I can do a shock test and see if it happens with the oven or just the top area.


Do you have a death wish?
Unplug the 120 until you can have it looked at!
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You have two problems. Hot wire touching the metal in the stove. Real problem is stove is not grounded properly. If it was, the fuse or breaker should trip immediatly.Think what should happen if you touch a hot wire to ground. Big bang and flash and breaker trips. In your house or on the boat, all metal parts should be connected with a low resistance connection to ground. This is to prevent just what you have happening, and then being electrocuted. I would check all the wiring on the boat, lots of people don't know what they are doing, but do it anyway. I hear "but it works" or "it doesn't matter, I'm going to sell it anyway".
Easy to get to the wiring on the boat and check everything. Good luck, Ed
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#7 Posted : Friday, April 30, 2010 4:07:24 AM(UTC)
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A similar problem occured on my old, old boat when the element burned out in the water heater.
It leaked current into the water lines and when I touched the stainless sink I got a mild shock.
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#8 Posted : Friday, April 30, 2010 12:16:48 PM(UTC)
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If nothing has been worked on recently, I would think that a bad element in the stove is most likely. Ground wire maybe has been disconnected that's why breaker doesnt trip. ( the element can go to ground ie outer sheath, and still work, especially if safty ground has been disconnected) Go buy a volt ohm meter if you don't already have one, much safer than touch test, & there only about $15.00.

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Or..over the winter...a hungry mouse mistook your wiring for a free meal.
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#10 Posted : Saturday, May 01, 2010 1:38:21 AM(UTC)
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So just how involved would it be to remove said stove. I'm thinking microwave and grill should be enough. And that thing probably weighs a lot.

Anyone remove their stove? What did you do to fill in that space? Mine is on the port side and hooks to the sink. It's on the end.
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#11 Posted : Saturday, May 01, 2010 2:19:29 AM(UTC)
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 Matt,
First unplug the stove from the outlet so U don’t get a shock.I believe there are 4 wing type clips that hold down the stove loosen them turn clip to clear counter top. Then lift out the unit. It's not all that heavy. if it's set up like on my 32' U will have to remove the drawers to gain access to the nuts.

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#12 Posted : Saturday, May 01, 2010 2:31:04 AM(UTC)
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with 120 onboard a metal boat wouldn't GFI outlets make sense?
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If you don't like to use the stove, you can cover the space with a piece of scrap Corian (or something similar) - a dealer probably has lots laying around the shop. Or starboard. We don't use our stove - just put the microwave on top of it.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, May 01, 2010 5:21:58 AM(UTC)
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There is a problem with your stove wiring - no failure of the stove itself should result in you getting a shock.

The plug for your stove must be 3-prong and the green wire must go to the frame of the stove. The ground prong in the outlet must go back to the boat ground, often it is grounded to the hull at a frame forward of the engines. There is no reason for it to go into the engine room, and I would make sure that your entire green ground system goes to the hull.

Finally, the green from the shore power must NOT go to the hull. It goes to the galvanic isolator, which then goes to the hull.

My guess is that your stove is missing the connection from the frame to the ground prong on the plug. I would look there first.


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