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Welding on boat with batts hooked up?
SORRYDOG2
#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:33:07 PM(UTC)
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Got one for you electrical Gurus's. Still closing boats I sold at the local boat show. Will be welding on a SS trim Tab has a hole in it, it is hooked to the grounding syestem in the boat. I heard years ago that you needed to disconnet the batteries in a boat prior to weldingas I have ALWAYS DONE! Heard the added voltage will or could ruin the electronics??? I have taken a welding machine and thawed out frozen pipes in houses. I have also started cars with welding machines using the voltage produced. What say you GURU'S??? Sorrydog
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:47:36 PM(UTC)
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I think that leaving the batteries connected or any of the wiring connected is in the category of "hard to defend if it screws up". There is so much current available from a welder and so little control over where it goes, that I would be tempted to disconnect the grounding wire from the trim tab before welding. What if all that current wants to go thru the wire to get back to the ground clamp? I assume that you have two ground leads so that you can clamp both hull and tab, or that you clamp the two pieces together during welding so that one clamp will do.

By the way, I can't weld. I am a NASA-certified welding inspector, so I don't need to, I just criticise. It's a great job.... :-)

I am planning to take a welding course this summer at the local community college if the dates work out. So I'll be able to criticise myself.


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#3 Posted : Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:09:26 AM(UTC)
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I agree with Doug,
Disconnect the batteries & any electronics connected to ground.
In my coal mine experence, I've had a portable welder trip ground fault detection on a substation 1 mile away more than once. This equipment was all feed from a common power source & common ground system.

Similar events happened at other mines also, per the GFI mfg.

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#4 Posted : Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:15:07 AM(UTC)
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#5 Posted : Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:22:33 AM(UTC)
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Not that I dissagree but you would want to keep the current path from your welding rod to the welders ground clamp as short as possible and not have the boat grounded in any way if you did. The current your putting into your weld is looking for a ground, which in the welders case is usually earth ground, and it will go through anything to get there so if motors or gauges are in the way it would be a little thing for it to arc across a couple of conductors. FWIW
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#6 Posted : Thursday, May 06, 2010 3:11:27 PM(UTC)
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Think we are all agreed-- disconnect the batts!! Joes idea shortest run possible is something to keep in mind also, clamp the grond to the parent metal you are welding, thus bypassing the electronics ect. Doug when you leard to weld, DON' BREATH THE FUMES!!! I AM SURE THIS IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE NOW!!! Back in the 60's-70's we had NO WARNING!! THE FLUX ON WELDING RODS IS MADE FROM MAGNNESIUM AND YOU WILL GET MAGNNESIUM POISIONING-NOW CALLED WELDING ROD SICKNESS( TYPE IT IN YOUR COMPUTER-WELDING ROD SICKNESS-READ IT AND THE SIMPTOMS--I HAVE IT!!!) AM SEEING A NEOSURGEON NOW- STARTS OUT WITH-HAND TREMORS-IT IS UNFORTUNATLY THE EARLY STAGES OF PARKINSONS!! YOUNG WELDERS NOW KNOW ABOUT IT AND VENTILATE-IF YOU ARE AN OLD WELDER CHECK IT OUT!!!!!- NO CURE! MILLION DOLLAR LAWSUIT IN TAMPA! IT TAKES ME 2 HANDS TO SIGN MY NAME!!! IT SHOWS UP MOSTLY IN YOUR PREDOMINANT HAND-AFTER ALL THESE YEARS LEARN TO USE YOUR OTHER!!! ANY OLD WELDERS WANTING MORE INFO CONTACT ME OR IF YOU HAVE INFO SEND IT TO ME, THANKS ALL-SORRYDOG
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#7 Posted : Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:44:19 PM(UTC)
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duug you crack me up its like d o t or mad mothers telling me the best way and time i should drive and sleep only job ive done that you lie to say your not working hard to make more doe
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