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frank ardis, jr.
#1 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 4:45:15 AM(UTC)
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I have 32 Sedan and there are 2 blowers on the boat. Neither will come on by the switch on the upper helm or the lower helm. Is there a fuse or circuit breaker somewhere that controls the blowers. Please help.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 4:50:34 AM(UTC)
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If yours is a sedan, the wires from the bridge meet the wires from the lower helm in the "wine cellar" on a terminal strip, then g to the blowers. Take a meter and see if 12 volts is coming down from the bridge. (The wire is color coded and labeled at the panel behind the lower helm.) If no 12 volts, look for 12 volts at the switch--you might want to start there, actually.

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#3 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 2:38:03 PM(UTC)
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He had sent me an email. I told him that I wouldn't be surprised if both blower motors were bad. I had one totally shot (breaker tripping), and the other was on its way out. Replaced them both.

Check for 12 volts at the blower motor leads - that's why they make the probes pointy ;)

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#4 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 3:00:43 PM(UTC)
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an add: the ckt breaker for the blowers is usually part of the switch on the panel above the lower helm. Most of the Marinette switches, for that matter, are what folks have called "aircraft style" and are combo switch/breaker units. YOu can check voltage at that point, too,
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#5 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 8:25:51 PM(UTC)
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Does the blower switch stay in the "on" position? Or does it flip back off immediately?
Does the blower light come on?

I'd have to agree with John on bad motors.
They are mounted in such a location that are prone to water leaking around edge of the cockpit. Mine were full of dirt and water stains from years of leaky flooring.

As the motors got dirty they became more resistive. The wiring and switch got quite warm. They would also squeal.

I took them apart and cleaned the motor guts etc. Big mistake as the spring loaded brushes are a PIA to get back in. Need 4 hands to reassemble.



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#6 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 11:04:44 PM(UTC)
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Doh! I missed the part where it said the blowers don't come on at EITHER station. Sorry.

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#7 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 3:56:05 AM(UTC)
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I got a project 32' with the original bilge blowers. They look like a cage or paddle wheel type fans. They worked because the 32' was parked a long time. I also got a well used project 28' with cheaper aftermarket inline blowers. One of these was bad so the one I put on was the third on that side. I darn near ruptured myself working on it in the far corner under that cockpit deck. I made sure my connections were protected from dampness. The console connections and cable run was orginal and sound. There was corrosion on the fan connections. Watch out because any wiring on these old boats can be really screwed up by owner fixes.

I wonder if the some re-engineering is possible to move the fan motor closer to the center of the boat where it can be reached for service. A longer vent hose could be attached to the vent louver.
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#8 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 6:00:30 AM(UTC)
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I was told by the commercial charter boat inspector that two blowers was frowned upon. Some reason about disruption of air flow. Didn't make sense to me but you have to keep the inspector happy.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:33:13 AM(UTC)
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Two blowers inop? I don't think so... I had the same thing happen....Seems that I accidently turned off a switch on that panel just forward in the bilge with my big ass..... Eh? a DC panel switch or something like that. I can't remember exactly what switches are mounted on that panel. Check those swiches and make sure they are all in the on position. Good luck and may the force be with you.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:27:31 AM(UTC)
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Thanks everyone for your help. I found the problem. A bad ground wire. Fixed it and blowers are blowing.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:28:24 AM(UTC)
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we can feel the breeze. Where was the ground wire? And how did you locate it?
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:51:31 AM(UTC)
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:42:57 PM(UTC)
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I didn't find where the ground wire from the blower was defective. By a process of elimination I sliced into the white ground wire from the blower and grounded it to hull and all worked fine.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:13:37 PM(UTC)
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Good work! Don't you hate electrical problems!

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#15 Posted : Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:49:33 AM(UTC)
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[inappropriate comments concerning grounding to hull redacted]


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#16 Posted : Thursday, May 27, 2010 4:09:59 PM(UTC)
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Am I confused? I thought grounding things to the hull is not a good practice. Corrections invited
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#17 Posted : Thursday, May 27, 2010 4:52:22 PM(UTC)
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maybe thats short term to find the trouble i would ground to neg buss or to batt but never the hull unless the amount of time blowers run not that big of deal¿
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#18 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 12:10:14 AM(UTC)
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Marinettes were designed before many ABYC standards were developed, and grounding to the hull was common practice in those days.

There are some drawbacks:

=> Any connection between copper and aluminum is unreliable, and a hull return relies on two of them.

=> If you use the hull for return, then you have no real ground for the frames of your equipment.

=> The return path through the hull is unpredictable, so there is likely a "loop" that may affect the compass.

=> There is a possibility of electrolysis when current flows through the hull, admittedly less with a Marinette because of the all-welded construction but still there.

=> Resistance to lightning strikes is greatly reduced.

The best way to wire stuff is to use a 2-conductor cable, red and yellow, and run it back to the switch panel. The red goes on the switch, of course, and the yellow goes to the ground bus in the panel. The cable should be supported every 18". It is best to run a separate cable for each blower, and join them back at the panel, for redundancy. This is often easier than troubleshooting old stuff.

Skycraft has 12 AWG 2-conductor cable for $0.63/ft. http://skycraftsurplus.com/marine.aspx



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#19 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 3:07:01 AM(UTC)
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Note that--as Doug stated--that YELLOW is the ground wire per the new, international conventions.


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