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#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:41:16 AM(UTC)
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What do you think the best idling RPM while in gear should be? I changed out my prop bushings this spring and am having a little trouble getting back to proper in gear idling. 318's idle nicely at @ 850-900 and then when I put it in gear at idle it wants to stall, dropping to 450-500 before doing so. When under way if I throttle down all the way, I have to mess with the throttles to keep from worrying about stalling. Last year I idled in gear nicely at @750, and tried to get it a bit lower than that.. I think I may have the packing bearings a bit tight or is there a break in period with the new bushings? I don't want to have to worry about stalling while docking.. Seemed to run nice out on the lake other wise this weekend. Heres the bottom line: I don't want to set my neutral idle at @1000 to keep it at @ 750 while in gear and throttled down. ... Anyone..? Buehler?
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:10:54 AM(UTC)
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My boat idles at 900 to 950 and is 750 to 800 in gear, seems perfectly fine to me. I have no reason to want it to idle slower. It warms up well from a cold start and shifts smoothly with these settings.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:17:35 AM(UTC)
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I have no cold start issues..Have you replaced the prop bushings lately? I don't know if that's the difference or not, that they have to "break in" so to speak. I still think it has something to do with that and I need to back off the packing nuts a bit..Mine ran about the same as yours last year, but I thought 650-700 might be a good in gear idle down RPM. I'll have to tweak it before this weekend..
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When checking engine rpm, the gauges on the Marinettes are notoriously inaccurate. If you have access to an optical tachometer, set the idle rpm that way. For example, my tachometers show 1000 rpm at idle on the gauges. In reality, the idle is 800 rpm by optical tachometer. In gear, the idle is 700 rpm, about as slow as you want an engine to idle or the engine will not idle smooth, leading to clanging noises from the transmission due to uneven idle.
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Is your packing gland too tight? It should have a couple drips coming from it to lubricate the packing.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:26:58 AM(UTC)
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BPBoater,

Your observation adds to my thoughts of installing a FloScan meter for twin 318's. I'd considered a dual gauge system - the Twinscan GPH and Tach for something of a OEM look but had also considered the 9000 series multifunction twin engine model as well. As it is purely a digital system/display I've been a little leery of getting that unit, but your comments have me thinking that I'd rather error on the side of digital electronics than analog. Hopefully, that's not blasphamey here. Silenced
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:39:49 AM(UTC)
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I have digital tachs as well as the stock ones. I looked in the Chrysler LM318 Manual last night for kicks, and it said low idle in gear should be, (if I recall correctly) 550-650. It just seems that at 750 ( where it was last year) I have to keep popping it into neutral around the marina to keep a low speed. Not a big deal.. But this year it's going a little too low, and crapping out. And as far as the packing glands go, they may be a bit too snug, but I didn't use my bionic arm when tightening them either. I think that you'd really have to go crazy on them to get the engine to stall out. I'm going to do a tune up and make sure all the plugs are fresh and wires healthy and snug and see what happens. By the way, are auto and marine plug wires interchangeable or is there a specific process or "grade" that makes them marine applicable? Just curious.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:00:47 AM(UTC)
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Other than price, they are the same as far as how they are made. The big difference is the wires are different lenghts for some marine engines, because they have to be routed differently.

If I remember correctly, someone said a set of (automotive) big block chevy wires w/ right angle boots works well. I need to find out myself, so I can redo my engines...

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:50:31 AM(UTC)
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Are those carbs the old Carter AFBs? They love to do that stalling nonsense when you idle down, or open the throttles too fast (which is not fast at all!) I "Edelbrocked" mine and got rid of both problems.

Yes, big block Chevy wires with 90 degree angle plug ends are the hot setup for small block Mopars. Take a sample wire along to make sure the distributor ends are similar.


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#10 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:10:42 AM(UTC)
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My Mercruiser had a momentary cut out switch that would kill spark for a split second when shifting gears to avoid the clunk and gear wear.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:10:06 AM(UTC)
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Big block Chevy wires for auto application ok, or do I need marine specific ones..?
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:13:16 PM(UTC)
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They're the same.

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#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:32:10 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Jeff! That's what I figured, but it's always nice to have someone experienced to confirm. So what do you think about the manual's suggested in gear idle suggestion? The carbs are original as far as I recall.. I haven't changed them and I doubt the previous owner would have done that much to her. Is it OK to blow them out with carb cleaner and will it make any diff in your opinion? Any thoughts on my original dilemma since it didn't happen last fall ( as of 10/31/09 )?
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:26:22 PM(UTC)
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Maybe I have been lucky but every carter afb issue I have ever worked on including mine this spring, was cureable by pulling the carb and taking the air horn off and then giving it a real good carb cleaner bath, I like to wash them out real well then a little manual scrubbing with a tooth brush and/or a gun cleaning brush or pipe cleaner type device and rewash with more carb cleaner then air blow it clean and dry. Do hit all the orfices and then clean the arrestor as well, I have found wesleys bleach white for car tire white walls was great at cleaning the flame arrestors, made them like new again, worked better than the can of carb cleaner I wasted on it first. Learn a couple of new tricks every year.

P.S. you can get (5) air horn gaskets from JEGS.COM FOR $11.xx and that is all you need to give this a whirl. I keep (2) complete carb kits on the boat all the time but have never used them, just air horn gaskets.

I done the same deal to my Onan 6.5 carb just this evening as the final step in getting it going again after being broke down with the cylinders full of water for 10-15 years. I didn't even pull it off the engine just the air horn and done a half azzed clean up on it, still needs done right but it came to life and ran nicely as where it would not even burp before this simple cleaning.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:01:04 PM(UTC)
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Call me a Corinthian , but what the hell is the air horn on the carb? I always have had good luck with Carter carbs too, hope this is one of those times..
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:19:38 PM(UTC)
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I hate to be the bringer of bad news, but Carter AFBs are of aluminum construction. Ethanol in the crap gas we are fored to use will soon eat pinholes in them--regular gas did that to one of mine after 20 years of use.

"It's just a matter....of time!"

On idle rpms....If it clunks going into gear--idle is too high. If it tries to stall--idle is too low (or the carb's mixture adjustment is off). Look for a happy medium between the two. Also, for manuevering at the slip, a higher idle speed makes things easier.

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#17 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:23:06 PM(UTC)
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you didnt say if packing driped or not unless you have new dripless boxes thats how you adjust by drips/min
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#18 Posted : Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:14:20 AM(UTC)
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SHAFT (not rudder) packings need to drip for lubrication reasons. And the packing box should NOT be hot--I have often put my fingers on them while flying along and they are cold.

The "Dripless" deals use mechanical seals (like a pump seal) that require water pumped into them to keep the seal faces from burning up. One either loves or hates them. IF all is well they are maintenance free, but if the seal face dies they can flood your boat. Six of one, a half dozen of the rest....

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#19 Posted : Thursday, May 27, 2010 5:46:26 AM(UTC)
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When I first launched the boat this year the shaft packings were dripping too much. And dripping like 1/4 notes at 60 BPM, once every second. So I tightened the up while at the dock and didn't take the boat out for a couple weeks. When I did take her out, I didn't think about the packing nuts till I came back to the dock. The shafts were a bit warmer than body temp, and that's where she stands now. I didn't want to adjust the packing nuts and then leave for the week just in case something were to happen after I left. I am planning on adjusting them this weekend while I am up there for a few days and can keep tabs on what's happening instead of wondering if something is. Dig?
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#20 Posted : Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:57:38 PM(UTC)
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Sean:

Have you replaced the packings, or are yours old ones that leak too much? If the latter, don't tighten them up any more or you'll score your shafts, for the packing lubricity is long gone. I recommend the Teflon packing--it works great and is maintenance free. Adjusted mine early last year and haven't had to touch them again yet, and they run cool to the touch.

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