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Posted: Friday, June 04, 2010 11:09:46 AM

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Sean,

Since ours seems to be hooked up the same and mine is working just fine, let me check voltages before you start changing/adding wires.
Just to be on the safe side.

I go home on the weekends but I will be back on the boat during the week. I can check Sunday evening or early next week, if that sounds ok to you.

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Posted: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:05:28 PM

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Thanks, Karl! I'm going to experiment a bit this weekend and see what I find, anyhow. We have a few other BigM 's in the marina too, and I'll see what their set up is.. And if my stbd system is set up the same way and puts out 14v's, which it is and does, I'll probably swap out voltage regulators and see what happens. Let me know.
Thanks!
Sean
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Posted: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:19:05 PM

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Here is a pic of the LM318 Appendix A diagram for Prestolite Alternators if anyone is interested. Field pole ( aux. ? ) is at 1:00.. Pos is at 8:00 and ground is at 6:00 in case you can't see it.


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Posted: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:36:36 PM

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So I reinstalled my alternator on Saturday night and when I did I cleaned all the connections. Including where the alternator bolts to the block and the poles, new bolts, etc. So when I fired it up and tested it it is now putting out @12.75 v which is better than the 9v it was putting out before.. Then for the heck of it I shut off the battery switch while idling and checked and it is putting out over 14v. Which I thought was strange.. So I am going to replace the battery ground strap, which looks a little suspect, and see what happens..

Sean
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Posted: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:32:23 PM

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Sean,

Don't rely on the alternator brackets to provide your ground connection. There is normally a ground stud on the alternator that you can use for the ground wire. It should go to wherever the battery ground strap connects to the block, usually on one of the starter mounting bolts so that the starter gets a good ground. You can use a yellow wire of the same size as the orange alternator output, or you could simply buy a ground strap (a light one will do) since it does not need to be insulated from the block.

The 12.75 volts is a little low, but could be just that the battery was low. You would have to check the final voltage at full charge to get a better reading. The 14 volt open output when idling is no surprise. You should avoid running the alternator without a battery attached, normally.

Many engines don't drive the alternator fast enough at idle to get full voltage. You should check the voltages at cruise to see what the battery is really getting.

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Posted: Monday, June 07, 2010 8:16:09 PM

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Thanks Doug. The battery should be full charged, I took it out and charged it last weekend. Afterward, I had a diagnostic done on it and it said it was fully charged and over 1000 cc amps. I bumped up the throttle to 1,500 and checked, it was putting out 15 v. Since the diagram out of the manual didn't show a ground wire I thought I would try with the stock set up and see what happened. I'll add that ground wire this weekend and a new battery ground strap and I think I'll be good to go. The LM 318 manual has pretty good step by step diagnostics in it on checking the resistance from the voltage regulator to the alternator. Haven't had a chance to do that yet. I'm still getting a fluctuation in the amp gauge reading with more RPMs so I don't know yet what that is about. When I shut the battery off that didn't happen so I think it's a ground issue. What do you think?
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Sean
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Posted: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:50:25 AM

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I'd check that voltage reading with a good multimeter--15 volts is a bit too high and might harm your battery.

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Posted: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:13:53 AM

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Sean,

I’d also check the gauge, some where on the site not long age Doug Rose posted a way to check them out to see if they’re ok. I’d check the connections at the gauge post & clean them to make sure they’re not corroded even the slightest grayish white tint will cause a bad connection.Brick wall

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Posted: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:33:47 AM

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Doc, I posted a procedure for checking the gauges that use a sensor. As it happens, neither the voltmeter or ammeter have a sensor, and so cannot be verified using the procedure.

Test a voltmeter by putting a good multimeter across its terminals. Verify that they read nearly the same.

The only way to test an ammeter is to put current through it. You can remove one wire and put another meter in series with it, but this is some trouble.

Sean, if you disconnect the battery from the alternator (I assume that is what "shut the battery off" means) then the voltage at the alternator output could be most anything -- it is designed to work with a battery. I would measure the actual voltage while charging the battery. Of course, that charging voltage is measured at the battery. The alternator puts out more, and there is voltage drop between the alternator hot terminal and the hot battery terminal, and also a drop between the battery negative and the alternator frame. You should measure both. Your battery needs from 13.8V to 14.25V (depending) to charge. Your alternator will have to put out more.

Your boat was built to use the alternator bracket and mounting as the return current path from the battery. That is standard practice in cars and so that is the way the engine was made. In hot, salty, wet Florida, relying on a steel-to-steel electrical connection is daft. You can't tell with an ohmmeter if the connection is good. At 50 Amps, a resistance of 0.01 Ohm, not measurable without special stuff, will cost you half a volt. Things are probably better in fresh water, but I would go with the wire. I used to make them up myself, but you can buy ground straps at Autozone that will do the trick, if you can find a guy who knows the stock and doesn't need make/model to get the part.

Or you can get one at http://www.delcity.net/store/Switch!to!Starter-Cables/p_1005.h_89497.a_1.t_1

I am not sure why your current reading fluctuates. I would get everything else working, and then take on that problem if it is still doing it, at cruise. 1500 rpm is still on the edge of working for most alternators.







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Posted: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:38:36 AM

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Thanks guys! That reading of 12.75 was at the battery while idling at @1000. Which is up from the 9v before.. I'm definitely going to make a ground wire and install it this weekend. I'll put one on the stbd engine as well. By shut off battery I meant I just flipped the battery switch off... Pg. 93 of the LM318 manual under Testing the alternator system says " excessive resistance in the regulator wiring will cause fluctuations in the ammeter." Whether that means the regulator is bad or needs adjusted I don't know. And there is a page or so for each test procedure, field circuit,charging circuit and output circuit. Hopefully the ground wire will do the trick!
Sean
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collins69s wrote:

Pg. 93 of the LM318 manual under Testing the alternator system says " excessive resistance in the regulator wiring will cause fluctuations in the ammeter." And there is a page or so for each test procedure, field circuit,charging circuit and output circuit.
Sean,

It would benificial if U could post those pg. like the diagram U posted earlier Applause

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Posted: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:40:19 AM

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dougrose wrote:
Doc, I posted a procedure for checking the gauges that use a sensor. As it happens, neither the voltmeter or ammeter have a sensor,
oops d'oh!

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Posted: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:53:18 AM

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I'll do that .. Hopefully we'll be able to read them.
Sean
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my boat has popped 2 regulators in 30 hours so far this summer...... One wire alternators are in my near future........

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Posted: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:56:01 PM

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Hey Karl, ever check your set up? Mine has been charging well, but I still am going to replace the ground strap and add a a lead from the ground pole on the alternator to the block..
Thanks,
Sean
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Posted: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:57:59 AM

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my boat has popped 2 regulators in 30 hours so far this summer......


Your alternators are probably fine: unless a bearing fails, or a diode shorts, there is not much they need except new brushes every decade or two. You might want to install solid state marine-style regulators, such as Balmar's If-you-don't-drive-a-rolls-you-can't-afford-us line, or a generic like http://www.motorcityreman.com/13advore.html that will only set you back $60 or so, each.

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