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RCPRATHER
#1 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 7:58:39 AM(UTC)
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Hello all,
My question is this, what are the rules when underway about passengers standing or sitting one the front deck of the boat?
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#2 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 8:16:16 AM(UTC)
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I am the Captain on my boat and NOBODY is allowed on the sides or front [even with a seat] while underway. There is no way you could stop those props in time if someone fell off your boat. You would end up running over the person before you could react.. Why take the chance?
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#3 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 10:36:42 AM(UTC)
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I think if someone fell off the front you could hit them with props. I don't see how anyone falling over the side could get into props. This is a very good question and should raise a good debate.

Here's the law in most states:

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Riding on the Bow or Gunwales is allowing passengers to ride where there may be a chance of falling overboard while underway at greater than no wake speed on a powerboat. Specifically, this means allowing passengers to ride on the covered bow, transom, swim step, or gunwales unless these are designed for carrying passengers at all speeds.



This law is vague to me. Our boat has railing to prevent falling overboard....so is that considered a safe zone?

I currently allow adults to ride up front while seated. I of course would never allow horseplay or small children on the front. Life is full of danger and we take chances everyday. I think a little safety is in order while on the front deck and all will be well. I may change my mind by the end of this thread. Thanks for asking the question.
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#4 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 10:30:20 PM(UTC)
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I see silly, irresponsible boaters doing that all the time, including having their children's feet dangling from the bow. We usually yell at them, not that it helps.

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#5 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 11:35:20 PM(UTC)
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Your 99.9% right in your action. But it made me wonder how many of the yeahou’s gave U the one finger salute? Think Bet none of the kids had on a P F D Brick wall

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#6 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 1:57:30 AM(UTC)
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See stupid stunts everyday, Once watched a wake board boat launch a person off the back while underway!d'oh! On our boat you can sit on the bow only in the designated seat built in by Marinette. If you don't know how to swim you must wear a life vest. AbsolutelyShame on you no standing or walking around while under way.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:25:37 AM(UTC)
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Amateur stuff compared to this one:

While doing some other research, I found a transcript from a meeting of the PA Fish Commission on a debate about whether to outlaw "teak surfing". It seems this stunt involves holding onto the swim platform of a powerboat while underway. I mentioned this to a fellow boater who upbraided me for being such a killjoy. He and his kids enjoy teak surfing and see no danger in it. Of course I named two readily apparent dangers to anyone with a brain--CO and the proximity of the props!

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#8 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:50:45 AM(UTC)
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my wife and adult daughter layout on the cabin roof on most trips up and down the lake .at 8 mph with a high hand rail there is not much chance of going of the side or over the bow handrail 10 feet away.
you take a chance every time you get on a boat or for that matter out of bed.just don't be stupid like the guy that pulled between my 32 doing about 5 mph and the shore. because he thought we were getting his spot on the beach .when he stopped his kid on a tube was right in front of us .and my panic fast shift to reverse stalled the engine .lucky for everybody .i got it started fast .then he noticed everybody looking at him were not his friends and headed down the beach where he was suppose to be.

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#9 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:07:28 AM(UTC)
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Each state has regulation pertaining to riding outside the passenger area.

Generally speaking: Riding a covered bow (runabout for example would be in violation.

Most state allow riding on the forward portion of watercraft if the watercraft has railings and hand rails. This includes motor powered sailboats cruisers and houseboats. Since our Big M's have living quarters they may also be interpreted as a housboat.

Now the operator of the vessel is responsible for all passengers so for example if operator allowed passengers on deck during rough seas and there was injuring or death... civil liability certainly would be an issue even if there was criminal wrong doing.

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#10 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:08:19 AM(UTC)
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Lots of aqua-morons like that. I could tell you some stories that would curl your hair.

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#11 Posted : Saturday, July 10, 2010 3:29:37 PM(UTC)
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Rob, You will find that it is not clearly defined and that different officers will treat it differently.We had a few ridiculous tickets wrote down here for bow seat riding a year or two ago but they were all thrown out by a Judge with some sense but there is no guarrentee of it. I am the captain of my boat as well and I very carefully allow persons to walk up the gunwales and sit on the front deck seat when under way. The railings were designed to protect people walking up the sides and on the bow but nothing is fool proof so caution is king. Check out a towboats gunwales sometime. They don't live by these rules, pontoons run day and night with people walking behind the rails and in my opinion should be allowed to. You can go into extreme with safety and just sit at the dock all the time and justify it as safer than actually boating but it was not what our vessels were designed for. Dangling feet 40 years ago was fine, did it all the time, now it is dangerous. I guess I agree with some of the rules, but personally I would rather be allowed to make these calls for myself and fire the beaurocrats and save thier saleries.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, July 25, 2010 6:52:06 PM(UTC)
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wish id have seen this thred when it was relevent but any way twas brought to my att that ny pwc class says than no one is to be riding in on a boat forward of driver bow rider big m troller or any thing ill be testing this any one bouncing around in 2 or3 foters should get a ticket for being an idot but smooth water going slow REALY?
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#13 Posted : Sunday, July 25, 2010 6:53:56 PM(UTC)
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Doug d I like your answer you get a star
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:19:22 AM(UTC)
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One problem with the rules is that rails are too low - most sailboats are 24" and many powerboats not much more than that. For a big slob like me, 24" is so far below my center of gravity that it is a tripping hazard, not a safety item. The rail just ensures that I will go into the water head first.

I am raising the rails on the flybridge to 32", standard for larger boats, but the bow rails cannot be raised without obscuring forward vision from the lower steering station. I don't know what the solution is, I just have a rule that no one goes forward of the cabin when under weigh, except to handle the anchor. This is all an important issue for me: the crew is 16 now and doesn't need watching so much, but my balance and mobility are not what they used to be, and getting worse every year. I plan to keep the boat even if I have to use a walker, or maybe one of those personal elevator things....


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