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Gordolordo
#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:29:30 PM(UTC)
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I recently bought a 1977 Marinette 32, and perhaps I am paranoid about the aluminum hull after reading then forums, but I'd appreciate a little advice if anyone can give some.

My Capac meter currently reads about .87

At night (for example if I wake up to use the head), the reading is well into the .9 range, but in the daytime, it tends to drop down to around .8.

Any ideas? I was thinking water/hull temp might have something to do with it, or perhaps the electricity use by other boats in the Marina goes down at night when they go to bed, thereby influencing the reading?

Backgroud: bought the boat in Annapolis and drove it to Quantico, VA...now at the EZ Cruz marina in Woodbridge. Could the zincs on the hull be set up for brackish water, and now that I'm on the Potomac I should switch them?

What voltage range is dangerous? Is .85 not good, but sustainable, or is it that if you're not in the .9 to 1.05 range your boat is toast in a week?

Also, if anyone here is Marinette-salty, lives in the national capital region, and wouldn't mind coming down and taking a look at my new baby, I'd appreciate it. Can pay in beer or otherwise. Kind of losing some sleep over this...maybe I've read too many horror stories about galvanically eaten hulls.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:12:41 PM(UTC)
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Congrats on the boat and welcome aboard! Don't lose any sleep, that reading should be fine in my opinion.. I'm no expert, but the Marinette manual says " a reading between 7 and 9 is normal." The other older, eh I mean, more experienced guys will chime in, too. They'll give you the scoop. I bought mine in Sept. 09 and did a lot of new papa nights where I didn't sleep so well. Most of them for naught. Lots of stuff messes with the readings, water temps, water clarity. I don't know if those would vary enough in your marina or any marina from night to day to make a difference.. Kinda doubt it. Maybe it's less things in use on your boat from night to day and one of the things not being used at night isn't grounded properly. Buy one of those outlet polarity checkers at the hardware store and check your outlets.. Then go through and unplug everything and plug them back in one by one and check your readings after plugging each one in. There are several very in depth forums on this subject.. ENJOY!
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:25:31 PM(UTC)
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The hull wont vaporize overnight. It takes time to cause problems and in most cases years of severe electrical issues to corrode through the hull. Your good with those readings as far as not toasting the hull. You do want to pull the readings in a little.

If the anodes are in question I'd replace all of them. Best thing is to contact John Althouse at www.marinette.com. Tell him the type of water the boat is in etc and he can provide the proper anodes. There are other sources for anodes too. I'm sure others will chime in.

Also make sure NOTHING is grounded to the hull except right where the negative wires from the batteries are grounded to the hull in the engine room. All ground wires should go back to very specific spots or to bus bars that go back to the aforementioned specific points.

Be sure your shore power cord plugs are clean/corrosion free.
Also check your dock neighbors plugs (a few boats on either side). You may find a bad/melted plug that is putting voltage on the dock ground.

You can also calibrate your CAPAC meter with a digital meter. You should notice a tiny slot screw at the base of the needle. That allows you to adjust the needle. Just parallel a digital meter in DC voltage mode with the CAPAC leads and adjust for the difference.

The change in readings may be a function of utility use. During the day there may be more air conditioners etc running. This may impact the ground on the dock if there is a voltage leak somewhere. Someone has been shore cord or they have something wired in reverse.

Try the search function at the top of the forum. Lots of info.



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#4 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:16:29 PM(UTC)
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Gordo,
First things first Welcome to the BigM site glad to have U aboard Applause

Next could your problem stem from all the Excessive Bull $$Hit that’s coming off the Hill into the Potomac.Not talking

All the suggestions mentioned above are good & should be considered but have U a place where U can get in the shallows & SOFTLY clean the area in & around the Capac sensor (a soft deck brush or sponge) this often will bring reading up about .02 /.05 cause. U R darn near right in the ball park with the readings, from what I’ve read on this site a lot of Capt. would love to have them readings. Pray

Mr. Rose what a opportunity U have for some free Brewski’s & swapping sea stories with Gordo with all your expertise in this area of galvanic solutions U may be able to kill 2 seagulls with 12 or so Brewski’s By easing this sailor mind & getting Gordo some sleep Whistle

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#5 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:13:20 AM(UTC)
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Gordo, Welcome aboard mate. Don't worry just enjoy your BigM. All those stories come from those guys who have fiberglass boats that look like tennis shoes. I think the biggest threat comes from run down marinas that have old wiring and old boats with automive battery charges putting current into the water. Enjoy your BigM. Life is too short not to enjoy the sunsets over the water. Wayne
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#6 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:47:47 AM(UTC)
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Congrats! You have bought a fine boat. We have a '75 32' flybridge.

You need to do the usual checks:

=> shaft isolation
=> rudder isolation
=> trimtab isolation
=> thruhull isolation (if bronze)
=> galvanic isolator
=> Capac meter ground
=> marina

Don't worry, my old 28' (7 years) and now my 32' (9 years) have suffered no damage, it's all a matter of checking stuff.

Thanks doc, but a beer or two is my limit these days. I am happy to consult or work on boats, I charge for this and I accept only German brew and/or boat rides as payment. Email me through the forum if you would like to get together some time, I am retired but I need to keep an eye on a 16-year-old so I do have to plan trips. OK, Michelob in a pinch.


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#8 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:45:25 AM(UTC)
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gordo,
my boat was at ez cruz where i bought it 3 years ago.there was a 32 sadan there then ,and a 28 or smaller express on the hard.the sedan was clean for hand painted.
good luck.

tim
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Gordolordo
#9 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:53:35 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for all he replies...I'm living aboard it for a year at least while I attend a year-long school aboard MCB Quantico, so I want to make sure I don't wake up in a soup of my Worldly possessions.

There's a nearly abandoned Marinette here at EZ Cruz that the owners say hasn't even been touched for 6 years, so I'll probably be ok.

Seriously though, if anyone smart on these boats lives in the area I would love for you to come down and just scan the boat a bit. I'm not sure if I got the deal I think I did and would appreciate the help.

This marina has some real whoppers that would be best served with a couple .45 rounds in their hulls in a deep part of the river...you must know what I'm talking about, Tim.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:27:26 PM(UTC)
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yea i know what your talking about.mine was prob one of them. lol

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#11 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:49:49 PM(UTC)
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The deal's been done so I wouldn't give a 2nd thought to whether you got your "money's worth". It's a damn boat and you rarely do (get your money's worth). If you had it surveyed up front, you'll have a pretty good idea of what needs doing. If not, please consider hiring one. Even though I am in your general area, my advice would be worth what it costs to get. A pro would head you in the right direction and give you a focus for an upgrade and rehab path. There are many surveyors in the DC area but I'd ask an insurance company (such as Boat US) for a list of a few. One with aluminum boat experience would be an asset. Surveys are best done out of water and if you could swing that with your "apartment" it would yield you better results. Estimated cost $300-500.
By the way, I agree with others about your Capac readings -- they are close to being on the mark. A cleaning of the Capac sensor and the zincs will boost the readings, I'll betcha. Good luck at Quantico where I assume you are in the MC.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:13:21 PM(UTC)
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The going rate for a good survey around here is @ $23.00 a foot, plus or minus a buck or two..... Since everything in the D.C. area is considerably heavier on the Cha-Ching!, I'd say you are bound to pay at least that much. Not that it won't be worth it, but expect it ... On the subject of aluminum boat myths, I have read and heard people say, " Don't drop any bolts or anything metal that you can't pick up or find, it'll corrode a hole in your hull!" Baloney.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:43:37 PM(UTC)
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collins69s wrote:

I have read and heard people say, " Don't drop any bolts or anything metal that you can't pick up or find, it'll corrode a hole in your hull!" Baloney.


To Make a long story short albeit it may a coincident but for a couple of yrs I fought a losing battle with a bare spot about 4"/6"L by 2" W did everything according to hoyle in prep & painting procedures the next season like magic this same bare spot would appear in the same area. Brick wall So about four yrs ago I had to replace the strb blower squeezing my lard a$$ into the tight area on the task of fastening the hose I dropped a screwdriver d'oh! while feeling around for it I found a 8" crescent wrench BTW the screwdriver also. After that the bare never appeared again so a tool or other metal object may not eat a hole thru the hull Eh? in my guesstmation it did present me with a painting mystery that now seems to be solved. Knock on wood Pray AnyWho

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#7 Posted : Friday, July 23, 2010 3:25:42 AM(UTC)
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dougrose wrote:
Congrats!
I charge for this and I accept only German brew and/or boat rides as payment.
I need to keep an eye on a 16-year-old
OK, Michelob in a pinch.

Doug,

I figured U as a connoisseur an / or supporter of one of the Oldest Brewski’s makers on the east coast Think
R U sure the 16 yr old doesn't need to assist U Whistle

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#14 Posted : Friday, July 23, 2010 3:42:04 AM(UTC)
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Welcome aboard Gordolordo! I replaced all my anodes a few months ago (alum for freshwater) and my reading went from .6 to .8 (on a good day). After obsessing about it and these guys educating me, I concluded two things; 1. Aluminum does not push the current through fresh water for high readings. 2. My flybridge drive cables and rudders are not isolated from the hull which may cause a lower reading also. This is a factory issue that I wished I could correct, but hey that's why I use anodes.

Here's a site you can use if you need anodes. Good luck with your new boat. She will challenge you like a woman.
http://www.boatzincs.com/marinette-bar.html
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#15 Posted : Friday, July 23, 2010 9:49:22 PM(UTC)
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welcom Gordo do you know why usmc always has such good looking kids?.... the uscg hahaaa I pd 10k for my 73 I would be hard pressed to take 30for her youve got a great boat there
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