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New Paint, CAPAC problems
JB
#1 Posted : Saturday, October 23, 2010 2:58:56 AM(UTC)
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New paint, anodes and now the CAPAC meter will hardly move at all.
It worked before the haul out and was verified with a digital meter.
The anodes were spent and with the addition of a mag guppy the boat was in the safe range before haul out.
They power washed the boat immediately after haul out and I didn’t get the chance to cover the plate on the hull. Grrr! They got to it while I was doing the paperwork! I put on 9’ of anodes that I got from boatzinks.com , etched, primed and 2 coats of trilux. I can only think the plate may have been ruined by the power wash. I know it takes a couple days for the boat to get to where it should be but I’m not getting hardly anything on the meter. So I guess I may be looking for a hand held meter I can drop a probe over the side. Any ideas on a good source for the meter? Also, one thing to look for if you have water in your tanks. The gasket on the filler cap can go bad and let water in the tank during hard rains. After cleaning the threads and the inlet to the tank I put the cap on and put some water on the cap. Dried the cap, took it off and found moisture in the threads going into the tank.

On a more positive note.
The boat jumps on plane with the new paint and I just had the props gone over as well. HUGE difference.

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JB
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#2 Posted : Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:18:41 AM(UTC)
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The anodes were spent and with the addition of a mag guppy the boat was in the safe range before haul out.

BJ,

What the readings with out the guppy Think

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#3 Posted : Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:34:05 AM(UTC)
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It was around .6 to .7 with no guppy.
With the guppy it was around .9 to 1.0
I'll check it with a meter when I go back Sunday.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, October 23, 2010 4:05:02 AM(UTC)
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B J,

That’s a rather low reading are U sure that U have everything isolated such as the shafts no stray grounds to hull etc. (there is extensive writeups in the archives ) In my personal opinions on guppy’s they’re just to get U by till cure can be found. Whistle If low reading still persist U have a problem in your grounding system check it out before U eat up your new anodes seems to me that the old ones where working well if they're eaten up. Again guppies R only a temporary fix. Anxious New anodes should last quite a long time if grounding system is up to par. Don’t forget anything over 1.2 is just as bad as too little of a reading it’ll start to blister the paint etc. on vessel. AnyWho my ½ penny’s worth. Boo hoo!

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#5 Posted : Saturday, October 23, 2010 4:31:25 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Norm,

I kinda figured the with the old spent annodes the reading would be low.
Was thinking with new paint and fresh annodes the boat would get to the safe reading and not be way lower!?
I will install new washers on the shaft isolation just because.
No stray current to hull was measured.

Thanks

JB

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#6 Posted : Saturday, October 23, 2010 5:45:26 AM(UTC)
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JB,

When U repainted U did leave a bare metal to bare mental @ anode contact points. I’m sure U did but just thought I’d throw this little tidbit in just incase. Anxious There’s also a write on a way to check to see that your shafts are properly isolated with the use of a multi meter, also written up extensively in archives. Applause

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#7 Posted : Saturday, October 23, 2010 7:24:40 AM(UTC)
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Yep, I did go bare metal at contact points.
It was painted under the annodes before and I was expecting a positive boost by cleaning the old paint off under the annodes.
I have seen one post where they recomended painting and the bolts made the contact.
I chose the more popular way, metal to metal.
Their has been no change in the shaft isolation, yet the reading is WAY lower after paint and annode replacement.
I'll check tomorrow with the digital meter and go from their.
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#8 Posted : Saturday, October 23, 2010 10:10:45 AM(UTC)
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I just had the M pulled Friday and was nervous, the M was painted six years ago the previous owner said that it was reading 0.6 for the past six years. I got to the dock while they were pressure washing. The pressure washer was easily taking off the last remaining anti foul paint leaving a nice gray barrier coat, the anodes looked great after six years. I hope they did not hurt the CAPAC sensor.
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#9 Posted : Saturday, October 23, 2010 10:21:04 AM(UTC)
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Shamrock said ... The anodes looked great after six years.

That just doesn't sound right. Something else is corroding?

Max
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I expected to see popcorn or holes in the rudders but it was slick and clean, could it be a bad CAPAC.

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#11 Posted : Saturday, October 23, 2010 10:32:28 AM(UTC)
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Capac would not affect wearing out of the anodes... it's just a measuring device. No wear on anodes after 6 years is at least unusual, indicating some other metal on the boat is sacrificing itself which is the job of the anodes. Appearance of anodes after that much time - often after just a season - should be like swiss cheese. Check thoroughly.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, October 23, 2010 11:11:56 AM(UTC)
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I am new to this, the yard manager advised not to replace them they hah some loss but he thought they were great slight rounding on the edges. Boat came with new keel anodes still in wrap from Marinette. Will it help or hurt if I double up?
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#13 Posted : Saturday, October 23, 2010 9:53:23 PM(UTC)
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Shamrock,

First off after 6 years your anodes shouldn’t look fine. Shame on you They should look like the moons surface or like someone took the penned end of a ball-peen hammer to them. You say U have new set from John Althouse, if U look at them U’ll see the lienal edges have a radius on them. It could be possible that one of the P O’s had put the wrong type anodes on? Seeing U stated the P O had been getting low reading for some time. I’d suggest U put the new sealloy ones on. Than see what your reading are. U can check your Capac meter out with a Ohm meter. There shouldn’t be a need to double up on anodes if your isolation system is up too snuff. 6' on keel 1' each trim tab, & 6" each rudder. I strongly advise a S.S. wire brush cleaning of anodes on both side at each pull out for proper contact of anode to metal plus U’ll be surprised at the critters & crud that gather behind them. AnyWho that’s my ½ penny’s worth. Anxious

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#14 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 4:32:41 AM(UTC)
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Looks like the CAPAC meter decided to fail while it was sitting on the deck for 2 months. I broke my finger and had to wait 5 weeks before I could get back painting the bottom. I was testing the leads at the meter, pressing the button and getting the same reading as the meter which was super low.
Then I thought to test the main leads coming from the sensor just before the meter and got the true reading which while lower than I want is way better than .058 It is losing voltage somehow between the connection of the main lead and the jumper to the button to the gauge connections.
I cleaned everything but it still has over .6 loss.
I guess it could be the actual button/switch has lost continuity.
Would it be OK to bypass the button and just leave the meter permanently active?

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#15 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 6:32:57 AM(UTC)
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If you had a piece of silver wire you could hang it over side and read wire to ground and you would get a reading close to what regular meter should read.
I calabrated my meter when boat was out of water I put known voltage in at hull (checked with calabrated volt ohm meter) and read meter on dash
My meter was real close. I say silver wire because your meter head on hull is silver plated, which tends to not add to voltage
Note silver wire is expensive, some day I will have to try and see what reading would change with a copper wire or a piece of S S sheat metal
Actually I have a used set of spare S S shafts I could try one. It is time to pull the boat this week have to be out by Nov 1 according to insurance
I once fixed a CAPAC meter for some on it was a broken wire or solder joint I forget The I calabrated it while on the bench

SICK LEAVE / Bob

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#17 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 7:28:59 AM(UTC)
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There is a real useful book out called "Boat Wiring Simplified"or something with hand drawn pictures that is very useful, and it shows you how to test for current in the water in one of the chapter. I'll try to find the actuall name..
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#18 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 1:53:22 PM(UTC)
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Don't bypass the switch to leave the meter constantly on. This will kill the sensor on the hull bottom. The hull/water/sensor form a battery, and when you use the meter to read the battery's voltage (by pushing in the button) you are using up the battery to drive the meter. It's not much, but you don't want to have the meter running all the time.

This would not be a problem if you used a high-input-impedance meter, such as some digital voltmeters, but that would require a 12v connection to operate the digital meter. Probably not worth the effort.

It is likely something fairly simple such as a bad switch or bad connection somewhere.


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#19 Posted : Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:58:02 AM(UTC)
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Ahhhh HA! Thats why they have a switch.
Thanks Doug.

I'll give you a shout for a possible trip to the boat next week.
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 4:40:15 AM(UTC)
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When I pulled my boat for the first time the anodes looked great after 3 years....I was baffled myself...after a little investigating of my own (not the marine mech) I figured out that some BOZO put sheet metal pieces on as anodes Eh? ...I guess the previous owner got ripped off ! Hull had popcorn corrosion that had to be repaired.


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#16 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:56:51 AM(UTC)
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sickleave wrote:
If you had a piece of silver wire you could hang it over side and read wire to ground and you would get a reading close to what regular meter should read. My meter was real close. I say silver wire because your meter head on hull is silver plated, which tends to not add to voltage


Heck look at the cost of a new Capac anode, I might jut electro-plate my "head." I trailer my BigM I haven't bothered replacing mine since it was painted over and wire brushed loosing the silver-oxide coating. But it is relitively cheap to silver plate with an old piece of silverware, vinegar and a 12 volt battery.
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