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tundrarules
#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:14:11 AM(UTC)
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Do you guys know of a set of 90 degree plug wires I can get for my 318s (1985). Non HEI type (female) distributor cap.

By the way, when I revamp my ignition system with the MSD, will it have the HEI cap?
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:02:35 AM(UTC)
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Port engine quit on me while leaving the dock a few days ago. 15mph cross wind !!!Eh? Couldn't restart engine because battery went bad on me and didn't have one crank left in it Eh? . So as I'm drifting into the boats to my port side I decide to give my stbd engine enough throttle to increase my speed so the rudders will work Pray It was a good call by chance because I came close to the boats on my port side d'oh! .

Bottom line, after two engine stalls, one on each engine, I am getting unconfident in my engines while docking. May need to dial in my carb on the port engine. May need two new ignition systems (MSD) installed....

Crossing my fingers on the next dockage ! Drool
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:43:36 AM(UTC)
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I'm making 2 sets for my 85 32 SFB w 318's using Pertronix 808490 universal wire kits. I purchased a good ratcheting crimper, as I have had miserable experience with the cheap ones. I'll record wire lengths and snap a few Pix this weekend. The current sets of wires have 1985 date codes and are dried up and abraided where they pass between the manifolds and valve covers.

P.S. You'll lose your ignition if the battery voltage falls during idle and docking speeds...Good batteries are a must. Harbor Tools has a battery load tester for short money, which can test your alternator too.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:43:46 AM(UTC)
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Was it warmed up fully? There are large idle screws on the front of the carbs that I had to back out about a 1/4 on mine because it stalled when I came back in from the lake one day.. Minor adjustment.. And my 318's idled way better after I put new advance springs in.. Even better when I timed them after that, and put new ign. modules in. Stock replacements, but new.. Behaves a lot better at low rpm, and and seems more determined, if that makes sense..
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:56:54 AM(UTC)
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Here's a tip for installing (or removing) the plug wires:
Don't try to force them down through the small space betweeen the manifold and valve cover.
Instead, slide the plug boot through the gap at the front or back of the manifold/valve cover area then drop them down through the manifolds to each plug.

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:11:00 AM(UTC)
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I believe i would start with the carbs. ; just 2 idle mix. adjustments on each carb. Had the same problem with mine when i got her. The old carbs. were plumb out of adjust. Adjusted idle mixture screws , Idled up another 50 . Helped last year ,but both needed rebuilt and glad i didn't. Had old AFB's , i'm sure there good when there good but mine were shot. New Elderbrocks, 1409's and new distributors, just the old points type. Had on problems and runs great. Jeff can tell you what wires to use. I took his advice and worked fine. I'm not a motor head but i do all my own work, no matter how long it takes.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:32:58 AM(UTC)
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Jeff says to use big block chevy wires, but I can't remember if they have 90 deg. angle on one end or not.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:02:31 AM(UTC)
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Wow!!! Lots of good responses today Eh? My left battery died on me, which explains the engine dying when I pulled out of the slip. Both engines have new Edelbrock 1409s , which by the way have been running great.

Like you guys say, it may be an alternator problem on my port engine. Hard to get a good reading from the boat gauges.

A battery load tester is a good idea to keep on the boat. I guess just testing the alternator with a meter is sufficient ??? Or should I pull alternator off for bench test?? Wouldn't want to ruin another battery with a bad alternator...

I ran that port engine battery flat a couple of times while anchored out and had to jump it. I think that will ruin a battery Think

Thanks for the input

Greg
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New Edelbrock 1409 carbs (working like a charm)
Original Electronic Ignition, Blaster 2 coils, 90 deg plug wire universal kit cut to fit
Raw water system
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:04:45 AM(UTC)
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collins69s wrote:
Jeff says to use big block chevy wires, but I can't remember if they have 90 deg. angle on one end or not.
Sean


They have a straight boot, which are a pain to get on the plug. I will be getting the universal wires that I can build myself I guess.
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New Edelbrock 1409 carbs (working like a charm)
Original Electronic Ignition, Blaster 2 coils, 90 deg plug wire universal kit cut to fit
Raw water system
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:32:39 AM(UTC)
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"I can't remember if they have 90 deg. angle on one end or not."

If you are going through the gap between the manifold/valve cover you want the 90 degree boots and you can use any universal 8 cyl. set.
If you are giving up and runnung the wires over the manifolds you want the straight boots and might need the GM big block wires.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:42:54 AM(UTC)
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I will be running over the manifold. Makes no sense go between manifold unless you are big on cosmetics. The big block non HEI wires only come in straight boot style (which are impossible to get on some of the plugs). You can get the HEI type in 90 degree d'oh!. To tell you the truth I should be just updating my whole ignition system to the MDS HEI...That's on my list of things to do and this may be a good time to do it. Just hate to let go of $900 when I'm not forced to do it yet. Maybe kin to Jeff Think.

Anyone else getting wires....pay attention to the HEI (High Energy Ignition, male rotor cap) vs female rotor cap when you order wires. I made the mistake and ordered the wrong type off ebay. Hopefully the guy will let me exchange them for a universal set that I can build myself.

One more month of boating Applause (sorry I had to rub it in yanks)

I did find a couple of pair of custom plug wires...but they are HIGH !!!

PS...http://www.race-mart.com/items/products/accel/ACL7009-detail.htm
1985 Marinette 29 Sedan bridge
Twin 318s, 660 hours
New Edelbrock 1409 carbs (working like a charm)
Original Electronic Ignition, Blaster 2 coils, 90 deg plug wire universal kit cut to fit
Raw water system
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Located Pickwick Lake, TN,MS,AL

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#12 Posted : Thursday, October 28, 2010 6:21:44 AM(UTC)
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Have yet to find big block Chevy wires with 90 degree plug ends, so I bought some ends from Jegs and made my own. SOMBODY has to make 'em, though.

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#13 Posted : Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:33:44 AM(UTC)
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Getting ready to replace my wires....does anyone have a good set of crimpers I could use or buy?


Has anyone tried these?
http://www.danchuk.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=13903

These look like a good value.
http://performanceplusconnection.us/Pro-Crimp-Spark-Plug-Wire-Tool/M/B001UIAJ3E.htm

1985 Marinette 29 Sedan bridge
Twin 318s, 660 hours
New Edelbrock 1409 carbs (working like a charm)
Original Electronic Ignition, Blaster 2 coils, 90 deg plug wire universal kit cut to fit
Raw water system
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Located Pickwick Lake, TN,MS,AL

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#14 Posted : Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:11:42 PM(UTC)
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I seem to remember one of the arcieved threads had a set of wires for a big block Chrysler that fit nicely OVER the manifolds on the 318, just can't think of where it is but will look.
75 FB express, "Big Enough II" twin 318s, 950hrs, raw water cooling, 1 to 1 transmisions, Beautiful Lake Charlevoix, MI
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, February 02, 2011 1:02:34 PM(UTC)
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Jack, search in mechanical... 318 cid plug wires. I think i remember Jeff saying to use Wires for Big block chevy 454 w/ 90deg. ends. Might be wrong but i'm sure he will post the reply
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#16 Posted : Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:54:59 AM(UTC)
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I'm still of no help here. I used big block Chevy wires, then added a 90 degree end to every other wire (at each spot, with one wire straight, and the other a 90 degrees.) They fit fine together and are obvious as to which wire goes where since I made all of the forward (or was it backward?) wires the same.

You didn't think I was gonna buy 16 plug ends when eight would do, did yah? Really!

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#17 Posted : Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:26:40 AM(UTC)
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Here's a tip for installing (or removing) the plug wires:
Don't try to force them down through the small space betweeen the manifold and valve cover.
Instead, slide the plug boot through the gap at the front or back of the manifold/valve cover area then drop them down through the manifolds to each plug.


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#18 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2011 3:46:35 AM(UTC)
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Update....

Ordered a big block set of wires with 45 degree angle from ebay. Got to the boat only to find out the wires were HEI (high energy ignition, male distributor tower) type wires, couldn't complete project again d'oh! . Seller on ebay agreed to exchange them for me. Shipped back for exchange, after 2 months, went to boat to change out wires...guess what, the wires were HEI again d'oh! ....Yes I know I should have checked, but again I assumed the universals had all the stuff I needed to custom make them...wrong Eh? . Just emailed ebay seller to see if I can exchange for the correct NON HEI (female distributor tower) universal custom wire set. Hopefully he will exchange after 2 months Drool

I am getting this brand wire. http://www.koolblue.com/catalog_i9840666.html?catId=285783

MSD wires are $100 per set...ouch...of course they may last twice as long as the ones I ordered...who knows.

Not sure why Chrysler didn't go with HEI in the mid 70's like the cars...



I wish I could complete this project ! Brick wall Hopefully the guys will send the correct wires this time. Think
1985 Marinette 29 Sedan bridge
Twin 318s, 660 hours
New Edelbrock 1409 carbs (working like a charm)
Original Electronic Ignition, Blaster 2 coils, 90 deg plug wire universal kit cut to fit
Raw water system
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Located Pickwick Lake, TN,MS,AL

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