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#1 Posted : Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:53:32 AM(UTC)
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I am wanting to purchase a three back charger during the winter. Any recommendations on brand or type?
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:25:09 AM(UTC)
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It really is only a matter of personal preference.
Charles is probably the most expensive.

Xantrex makes some nice stuff and you can also include interver in the same unit.

I have a Guest which runs 24/7 12 months a year (except when underway) and has completed its 6th year so no complaints.

Main thing to consider if you are using batteries other than flooded check to insure your charger has settings to cover AGM and Gel, they carge at differenct rates and are actually chared in stages.

dave
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:26:28 AM(UTC)
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I bought a reconditioned (by the factory) one last year that has a full warrantee and was reasonably priced. (I hate to spend money!) . Forget the name of the company, but I'll find out for you next trip to the boat.

Here's what you DON'T want to do: put more than one battery on a bank. Pretty sure that led to my battery troubles this year. One bank/ one battery from now on.

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#4 Posted : Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:50:54 AM(UTC)
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Check out :charger-guy sales on e bay.. I bought a reman Pro Mariner galvanic isolator for $70.00 from him this past August... It was new as far as I could tell, he says that most of the stuff is returns that just can't be sold as new anymore. I am buying a 3 bank charger from him soon... From whats been posted on this site there are certain "smart" chargers that know how much charge to deliver to each battery depending on it's individual needs..

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#5 Posted : Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:54:06 AM(UTC)
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Installed the Dual Pro PS2 charger about 2 years ago and its works better than I ever expected.

http://www.dualpro.com/

Between living on the boat all summer and rarely turning off the battery switches or charger, I have yet to add water to the batts. The unit does a wonderful job of charging, maintaining and handles all the house house loads.

-Karl

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:12:27 PM(UTC)
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Here's an example of what this guy sells.. Only a dual bank, but check out his other stuff..
Sean

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebay...amp;hash=item255b21d0e1

Here's a 3 bank..I'll probably get one like this from him.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebay...&hash=item2309919d75
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#7 Posted : Thursday, November 11, 2010 2:37:55 AM(UTC)
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You can parallel batteries only if you 1) buy them at the same time from the same stock and 2) always leave them paralleled, with properly designed leads. They will work and age together and there is no problem. There is also no advantage except for the fact that two batteries are easier to install than one twice as big. Occasionally paralleled batteries are used for weight distribution. Generally speaking, if you want two batteries it is far better to install two six-volt units in series.

By properly designed leads, I mean that the battery positives are tied together with a piece of cable, and the battery negatives are tied together with an identical (except for the color!) piece of cable. The power is taken from the positive of one battery, and from the negative of the other. This way, each battery sees the same voltage in use.


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#8 Posted : Thursday, November 11, 2010 3:23:26 AM(UTC)
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If you spend a lot of time at the dock with the vhf radio, stereo, cabin lights and other 12 volt items on, you have to consider a charger with more amps.

Our 10 amp charger kept all 3 banks charged when we were away but couldn't keep up with all of our house power requirements when we were aboard. The stereo alone draws almost 10 amps. Each 12v cabin light draws over 2 amps (which is why many have switched to LED lights). So if we listened to the stereo and had just one 12v light on we were draining the house battery.

I installed a Xantrex inverter/charger. The 2500 watt and 3000 watt units have 3 bank capacity. It puts out 140 amps for the house batteries and 15 amps for each starting battery. The charging is 3 stage so they charge quicker and don't overcharge. It also has an equilize function which you use every month or two to recondition the lead plates and electrolyte.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:03:45 AM(UTC)
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..."The power is taken from the positive of one battery, and from the negative of the other. This way, each battery sees the same voltage in use."

Doesn't that happen automatically thru the Perko switch.

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#10 Posted : Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:27:05 AM(UTC)
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..."The power is taken from the positive of one battery, and from the negative of the other. This way, each battery sees the same voltage in use."


I believe Doug is suggesting wiring paralleled batteries as follows:
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#11 Posted : Thursday, November 11, 2010 7:48:12 AM(UTC)
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Then, this is the same circuit, right?

Jeff
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#12 Posted : Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:30:40 PM(UTC)
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Yes Peter, that is just what I meant. Your picture is so much better than my description.

This is most important at high currents such as starting where small differences in wire length will cause one battery to be lazy. Jeff, your diagram looks fine, as long as the wire lengths are similar. If you are using them as house batteries, it probably doesn't matter too much.


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#13 Posted : Thursday, November 11, 2010 1:54:17 PM(UTC)
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#14 Posted : Friday, November 12, 2010 1:42:42 AM(UTC)
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Over the years I have had the best performance with 2 six volt golf cart batteries in series.

My setup is simple.

Stb. (which is start and house battery bank) 2 six in series.
Port. 2 12 volt batteries. 1 battery is Port start and the 2nd battery is connected via a ACR (automatic charging relay)

The 2nd port battery stand ready and isolated from the circuit but if needed I can flip a switch which straps it into the Port circuit. One not in line it will automaticly open for charging if the voltage drops below a preset range. That way the battery is always charged and if I pull all the other batteries down.. I still have one start battery in reserve.

I also have the parralel switch to strp the port and stb batteries for starting which I usually do if I have been on batteries on the hook over night etc.


safe boating,

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#15 Posted : Friday, November 12, 2010 7:14:17 AM(UTC)
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.."Port. 2 12 volt batteries. 1 battery is Port start and the 2nd battery is connected via a ACR (automatic charging relay)"

Interesting. Could you elaborate, please?

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#16 Posted : Friday, November 12, 2010 8:37:04 AM(UTC)
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Jeff,

Check out this link it explains the concept far better than I can. I can attest that it does work and works well. I know I always have a full battery in reserve.

http://continuouswave.co...Forum6/HTML/001232.html


http://bluesea.com/products/9112

The 9119 has been discontinued which is the model I have installed. The ML series has replaced it but performs the same. The main difference has the shielded terminals.



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#17 Posted : Friday, November 12, 2010 11:31:51 AM(UTC)
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Another item for my Xmas list!

Thanks,

Jeff
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#18 Posted : Friday, November 12, 2010 11:32:51 AM(UTC)
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#19 Posted : Saturday, November 13, 2010 8:14:16 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for all of the input. Here is what I am looking for and by the way you all have some great ideas. What would be the best setup for a guy that likes to spend a great deal of the time sitting at the dock drinking beers with my neighbor listening to tunes and having lights and such on the boat when at the slip? I will be adding a house battery "recommended Size?" and a three bank charging system.
Thanks in advance for all of the advice!!!!!
Rob
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#20 Posted : Saturday, November 13, 2010 11:18:28 AM(UTC)
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That is a great find for an ACR. alternators installed.

Take not Jeff.. LOL


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