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All you ever wanted to know about Batteries
tundrarules
#1 Posted : Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:43:43 AM(UTC)
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http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/Battery_FAQ.htm

http://www.marine-electronics.net/techarticle/battery_faq/b_faq.htm

Battery use calculator


http://www.bwbmag.com/output.cfm?id=2066041

http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/battery_comparison.htm


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#2 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 4:11:14 AM(UTC)
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#3 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 7:32:59 AM(UTC)
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Another "thank you for the info" - however, I just finished reading the bit on charging and I think it has some holes in it. Come on folks, give some thought to this: IF we agree that electrons flow from - to +, how can a charger, whose output voltage is greater than the potential of the positive battery terminal it is clamped to, cause said electricity/electrons to flow INTO the battery? Isn't what caused to battery to become "discharged" caused by the number of said electrons that flowed from the negative plates, thru the load, and become stacked up on the positive plates, until there was no longer a difference in potential between the + & - plates, the reason current stopped flowing? The only thing that can put electricity/electrons INTO the battery is the chemical action WITHIN the battery. Looks to me that our chargers take electrons OUT/OFF of the positive plates....

I look forward to others thoughts('course you NAVY schooled techs will have other thoughts, since you were taught backwards - you guys think electrons flow WITH the arrow in a diode symbol....Flame suit donned!

I brought this up long time ago, when I first joined, and never got a response. Please jump in this time. I can always learn....'Couple times,tho, I HAVE had to actually pee ON the electric fence!

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#4 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 9:00:11 AM(UTC)
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I agree with you Jim, electrons flow - to + and by potential. I saw that in the diagrams too and decided I did not want to make an issue of it, but since you brought it up..... maybe I gotta don the suit too! Jam
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#6 Posted : Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:07:50 AM(UTC)
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I think I only have about 3 wrinkles in my old brain and am just trying to find out if this one is screwed up....thnks

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#7 Posted : Monday, February 21, 2011 5:30:01 AM(UTC)
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Just curious...Does anyone know why this battery wouldn't work for a house/start battery on one of my banks? Doesn't say marine.....are the studs a different size?

Only thing I can figure is it is not sealed...which I don't really need because I am on a lake...not on sailboat or in ocean..

What do you guys think????


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#8 Posted : Monday, February 21, 2011 5:35:25 AM(UTC)
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I pesonally like sealed, just in case of an oh $hit moment. Deep cycles like to be discharged and then recharged and if I'm not mistaken by putting them in a situation that does not use that feature, will shorten the lifespan, check with the vender tho, a lot of my info is old,too.
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#9 Posted : Monday, February 21, 2011 7:01:35 AM(UTC)
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Overcharging continues to be the number one cause of battery death. That is why I put my charger on a timer - just charges 1 hour per day in the off season. Batteries usually last 5 years.
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#10 Posted : Monday, February 21, 2011 7:15:33 AM(UTC)
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After reading the description again, it does say for marine use....duh d'oh! Disregard my dyslexia Silenced



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#11 Posted : Monday, February 21, 2011 11:12:41 PM(UTC)
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Dozens of times I have seen "Joe the family boater" take his family out on a Sunday afternoon cruise on his day off from the job boat. After it is in the water, the engine does not start, dead battery. He runs up to the car and takes the car battery out, puts it in place in the boat, gets "old Betsy" running, and heads out onto the pond. At dusk, after pounding the scow around out there, he is back at the dock and takes the battery back to the car and guess what? The car will not start. Back at the dock is a family of hungry screaming kids and a miserable spouse who did not want to go out in the first place.

The car will not start because automotive batterys are not designed to take the pounding and bouncing that marine service batterys have designed into them. The plates short and crack resulting in a dead battery.

You can add the rest of the story.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:51:14 PM(UTC)
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Like Joe (the family boater) I am away from the boats for extended periods.

On both boats (32' M and 17' Boston Whaler) I have installed solar chargers that just charge the engine start batteries. There is a 12 W panel on the Whaler with a splitter, and an 85 W panel on the M. I have not had a failure to start since - no dependence on shore power.

It has worked very well for me. I can't help him with the kids, our Crew is 17 now and doesn't talk to us at all, whatever.


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The kids are still hungry?
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:50:41 PM(UTC)
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http://www.batterystuff....orial_battery_made.html

This supports what I have been trying to tell folks that I read about why a battery "goes dead" on us. The theory I read years ago just stated that, since electrons is from negative to positive, that our lights, ignition etc, in our cars, bikes,etc continue to work until enough electrons pile up on the positive plates in the battery until there is no potential difference between positive and negative and current flow stops. This goes into the chemical action and makes it make even more sense to me....?
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:58:34 PM(UTC)
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Did myself a HUGE favor and bought (ugh!) a battery hydrometer (sp?) to measure the charge levels in EACH cell of each battery. Previously, I relied on charge levels and a load test made on each battery, which said they were all okay.

The hydrometer said otherwise; one of my "good" batteries was junk with a bad cell. This battery had been installed in parallel with another and charged together via one bank of my battery charger. Twice we returned to the boat after a week of hard rain to find this pair of batteries dead flat--wouldn't even power the radio. (The bilge pump was also on this circuit.)

In one case I had left the charger OFF; in the other case the charger was left ON (though it shut itself down from overload). It puzzled me all winter why that happened, but now I know that bad cell dragged down both batteries.

This little device is a cheap investment and well worth the money, but your batteries MUST have accessible cells to measure them (or to add water).

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Good point Jeff!

I've got my batteries off the boat and in the basement. Occassionally I'll put a trickle charger on them overnight/until a "full charge" reading occurs. Will pick up a hydrometer to ensure all is good. Better here in the basement where it's easier to move around rather than the "basement of da boat"! Brick wall

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#17 Posted : Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:30:16 AM(UTC)
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OK, while we are chatting about battery life and care, I have about 8, last I counted, 3 for the 'M', 3 for my 21 center console, 1 for the pontoon and 1 for the runabout. In the off season I take all out of the boats and put them in a safe spot in the cottage, and put a 10 amp charger on the batteries (individually) until each pulls no more than a couple of amps or less, usually taking about 1 to 4 hours each, once a month or so. I have not replaced a single battery in years. It should be said to NEVER leave them on concrete either, this saps their power. All are marine type. JAM
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#18 Posted : Thursday, March 17, 2011 12:00:26 AM(UTC)
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I use an 80W solar panel to provide a trickle charge to my batteries, in place on the boat. That way, I don't have to worry about a charger getting unplugged, and I assume that no one could steal the panel without being seen, since there are liveaboards in the marina.


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