logo
Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Icon
Error

2 Pages12>
Pink in auto
trontek
#1 Posted : Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:01:28 AM(UTC)
trontek

Rank: Marinette Royal Aluminum Poster (300+) posts

Groups: Member
Joined: 10/17/2008(UTC)
Posts: 340
Points: 265

Thanks: 2 times
Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 3 post(s)
Can the pink antifreeze be used in cars - and, if not, why not?
Jim

Sponsor
Please Register : To weed out spammers, new members may not post until approved. An email is usually sent after approval. This forum is for Marinette Owners and other aluminum boat boaters who wish to share boating information. Aluminum Roamer owners are also welcome. (Do not post content you do not have the right to post and mass (robots) posters are unwelcome. We also have a marine electronics page and lots of Chrysler Engine info. State by what permission you copy content and give credit properly.) The site is now fixed with some more Chrysler information. We have space for pictures on the new location. Use shinkpic to autochange size http://www.onthegosoft.com/sp_download.htm

Great Sites - http://www.marinette.com Marinette Company

http://web.me.com/dougmrose/Doug_Roses_Website/Welcome.html

http://fastjeff.tripod.com/ Repair Tricks and Techniques for Marinettes

http://www.greatlakesmarinetteclub.com/

PLEASE post in the appropriate folder. Please, do not post your actual email address in publicly readable websites. The first rule is be a class act.

Domino
#2 Posted : Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:34:42 AM(UTC)
Domino

Rank: Top Rank Aluminum Star

Groups: Member
Joined: 12/13/2007(UTC)
Posts: 153
Points: -96

Thanks: 1 times
Was thanked: 4 time(s) in 4 post(s)
don't know ABOUT PINK FOR AUTOMOTIVE USE.... I see you hvae two BigM s older than my 32' Express
Domino is on the hard @ Pier 500 Marina, Wyandotte, Michigan
** 67 32' Express
** Ford 302's
Barkleydave
#3 Posted : Sunday, November 28, 2010 9:35:43 AM(UTC)
Barkleydave

Rank: Marinette Royal Aluminum Poster (300+) posts

Groups: Member
Joined: 12/4/2007(UTC)
Posts: 460
Points: -618

Thanks: 3 times
Was thanked: 7 time(s) in 6 post(s)
Boiling point is too low.

Poor lubrication for water pump.

Would slush up at +20F and would not circulate.

I am sure there are other reasons but that is enough.

dave
None
RiverRatt
#5 Posted : Sunday, November 28, 2010 1:04:11 PM(UTC)
RiverRatt

Rank: Top Rank Aluminum Star

Groups: Member
Joined: 12/26/2007(UTC)
Posts: 185
Points: 176

Thanks: 1 times
Was thanked: 2 time(s) in 2 post(s)
The R/V antifreeze is propylene glycol based without any additives to protect the engine. There is an automotive type propylene glycol with additives.

http://www.prestone.com/node/414?select_region=1

I have seen Mack trucks with propylene glycol antifreeze. They are usually in the food business.
"The is no dumb-ass vaccine" - Jimmy Buffet
cap'n Brent
#6 Posted : Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:24:00 PM(UTC)
cap'n Brent

Rank: Marinette Royal Aluminum Poster (300+) posts

Groups: Member
Joined: 10/27/2008(UTC)
Posts: 427
Points: -526

Thanks: 9 times
Was thanked: 7 time(s) in 7 post(s)
Couldn't have said it better my friends the green and new orange stuff are coolents that also do a great job of not freezing but mostly are for reducing the boiling point if you have ever touched it you notice its oily feeling. All true pink is only for ANTIfreeze (not freeze )
HP Chadwick bay Sunset Bay lake Erie NY boat name Sunrise 32' f/b fisherman chry 318 twin blue bastards,28'express singel 318
"It would be a labor of love, if I loved to labor" cpt Brent
dougrose
#7 Posted : Sunday, November 28, 2010 11:53:47 PM(UTC)
dougrose

Rank: Marinette Royal Aluminum Poster (300+) posts

Groups: Member, Administration, Admin
Joined: 12/7/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,332
Points: 1,746

Was thanked: 25 time(s) in 21 post(s)
It has always bothered me that I carry 6 gallons of poisonous ethylene glycol onboard and might spill it into the water at any time. I am going to look into this stuff for my next coolant change-out. Thanks for the link.


1975 32' Flybridge Sedan, twin Perkins 6-354 diesels, 1:1.53 velvetdrives, 16 X 19 props. Merritt Island, Florida
trontek
#4 Posted : Monday, November 29, 2010 5:20:57 AM(UTC)
trontek

Rank: Marinette Royal Aluminum Poster (300+) posts

Groups: Member
Joined: 10/17/2008(UTC)
Posts: 340
Points: 265

Thanks: 2 times
Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 3 post(s)
Barkleydave wrote:
Boiling point is too low.


Would slush up at +20F and would not circulate.


dave


Even tho -50 to -100 F is advertised?
Jim

cap'n Brent
#8 Posted : Wednesday, December 01, 2010 8:52:42 PM(UTC)
cap'n Brent

Rank: Marinette Royal Aluminum Poster (300+) posts

Groups: Member
Joined: 10/27/2008(UTC)
Posts: 427
Points: -526

Thanks: 9 times
Was thanked: 7 time(s) in 7 post(s)
I would say in a non diluted state it won't freeze but h2o that you don't get out of your block,coolers extra raises the freeze point or slush point In the USCG i've scene the atlantic freeze and that is heavy salt water when winterizing I warm engines,drain block n coolers,restart on pink n run 5 gallons through . In a car you would be hard prest to get all the h2o out of the system then you still don't have lubricity for water pump
HP Chadwick bay Sunset Bay lake Erie NY boat name Sunrise 32' f/b fisherman chry 318 twin blue bastards,28'express singel 318
"It would be a labor of love, if I loved to labor" cpt Brent
fastjeff
#9 Posted : Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:26:02 PM(UTC)
fastjeff

Rank: Administration

Medals: aluminum star: For Marinette Owners Everywhere above the call of duty

Groups: Admin2, Admin2, Admin, Administration, Member
Joined: 12/5/2007(UTC)
Posts: 3,133
Points: 5,732

Was thanked: 34 time(s) in 30 post(s)
I have an unrelated but related problem (?) We--the marina and Mr. Doofus--stood around BSing as the boat was pulled and power washed. No one then remembered to pump out the nearly full waste tank, which is now inaccessible with the boat on the hard.

Question: Will the, ah, liquid stuff freeze? It's all macerated, but there's no Pink Stuff in that tank, nor is there room for much.

Jeff
"...reality is not nearly as lovely as the world of Liberal Land. No wonder so many people want to go there." - Tom Sowell

Docsnow
#10 Posted : Wednesday, December 01, 2010 11:08:16 PM(UTC)
Docsnow

Rank: Marinette Royal Aluminum Poster (300+) posts

Groups: Admin, Administration
Joined: 12/4/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,871
Points: 4,247

Thanks: 2 times
Was thanked: 28 time(s) in 28 post(s)
Jeff,

So does that mean U forgot to winterize the head system by not running pink stuff thru the macerater & pipe system. d'oh!

Norm,

Big BigMs Live On Applause
http://www.picturetrail.com/gid23690601 Try it now there's music to listen to while U view the Big M's

http://www.PictureTrail..../index.php?clubID=20726 this one for the Pix club


 You'll have bad times, but they'll just wake you up to the good times you weren't paying attention to

Some people try to turn back their odometers.Not me, I want people to know "why" I look this way.I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved.
cap'n Brent
#11 Posted : Wednesday, December 01, 2010 11:37:05 PM(UTC)
cap'n Brent

Rank: Marinette Royal Aluminum Poster (300+) posts

Groups: Member
Joined: 10/27/2008(UTC)
Posts: 427
Points: -526

Thanks: 9 times
Was thanked: 7 time(s) in 7 post(s)
True value sells a hand syfin pump pump stuff into a 5 gal bucket or what not then add pink stuff or a gallon of cheep conyak
HP Chadwick bay Sunset Bay lake Erie NY boat name Sunrise 32' f/b fisherman chry 318 twin blue bastards,28'express singel 318
"It would be a labor of love, if I loved to labor" cpt Brent
mark klusman
#12 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 12:13:35 AM(UTC)
mark klusman

Rank: Marinette Royal Aluminum Poster (300+) posts

Groups: Member
Joined: 10/19/2009(UTC)
Posts: 320
Points: -74

Thanks: 12 times
Was thanked: 6 time(s) in 6 post(s)
Jeff, Down here we have a few people with pumpouts on small trailers to service some of the small home docks and rv trailers that don't like to unhook to dump. Might check around the area where you have your Marinette on the hard and see if someone is available locally . Mark
No matter where you go,there you are.
Knot Normal
28FT. Express
Twin 318's
Ten Mile Tn.




BCassedy
#13 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 12:19:22 AM(UTC)
Rank: Top Rank Aluminum Star

Groups: Member
Joined: 1/18/2010(UTC)
Posts: 190
Points: 369

Thanks: 5 times
Was thanked: 5 time(s) in 5 post(s)
Jeff...

d'oh! You're not gonna like this (where have I heard that b4... :-] ) but the volume in the waste tank is a mixture that isn't high in salinity (ie. the freeze point isn't much below 32 deg F). True the pee in the tank has a higher salinity content, but it's highly diluted. The solid material has minimal salinity to it (unless your meals involved a salt lick... ) so that doesn't contribute much to the plus side of the salinity factor. The flushing liquid is frest water (raw or from your fresh water tank) so that's going to dilute the salinity of what's being flushed.

Bottom line - you're probably gonna need to get as much out of the tank as you're able and then, as Cap'n Brent suggests, hit it with a good amount of pink stuff. I don't know the "cutting" factor (ie. if you have 1 gal of pink at -50 deg F and add 1 gal of water, do you now have a mixture with a freeze point of -25 deg <tho that sounds plausible>) so the more out of the tank the better.

Bill

Bill & Sharon Cassedy
" Sunset Seeker "
1988 32' Fly Bridge
Twin 318 Cu In / 240HP Chrysler power plants
Raw water cooling
Freshwater boat
pfhlaw
#14 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:44:36 AM(UTC)
pfhlaw

Rank: Marinette Royal Aluminum Poster (300+) posts

Groups: Member
Joined: 12/10/2007(UTC)
Posts: 538
Points: 1,353

Thanks: 2 times
Was thanked: 8 time(s) in 8 post(s)
Jeff:
your 32' Marinette should have a mascerator and self pump out fitting on deck next to the regular fitting.
The self pump out fitting is a regular garden hose fitting (female). A 5 gallon bucket and a length of hose and you're all set.
Peter
1981 32' sedan bridge
twin Chrysler 360 cu. in. 250 hp engines
Raw water cooled
Nimbus II
Home port: New Buffalo, MI
jsimanella
#15 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 3:05:44 AM(UTC)
jsimanella

Rank: Marinette Royal Aluminum Poster (300+) posts

Groups: Member
Joined: 12/5/2007(UTC)
Posts: 367
Points: 637

Thanks: 12 times
Was thanked: 1 time(s) in 1 post(s)
I've had relative success with a shop vac. If you do make room, go straight for the high-test stuff (-100 degrees, or better).

And make sure you run it THROUGH the toilet.
--
1987 32 Sedan Bridge
Twin 360s, Rebuilt 2006
Modified/Original Electronic Ignition
Raw Water Cooled
Catawba Island, Ohio
dougrose
#16 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 3:49:41 AM(UTC)
dougrose

Rank: Marinette Royal Aluminum Poster (300+) posts

Groups: Member, Administration, Admin
Joined: 12/7/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,332
Points: 1,746

Was thanked: 25 time(s) in 21 post(s)
In Florida I do not have to worry about freezing, but there is a disadvantage to my setup. I have no way of removing "content" from the flexible tank (can I call it a "bladder"?) without a marina to suck it out. This could be a real problem in the Bahamas or places in the keys where there are no pumpout stations.

I notice, though, that there is a thread in the deck fitting that the marina screws their hose fitting into. It is a standard thread. Perhaps you could just screw a pipe into it for a one-time pumpout, if you can't get an RV oumpout guy.

I have a Whale hand pump that I don't really need as a bilge pump, and I was thinking that I could find the matching pipe for my pumpout and mount it to the hand pump so that I would be able to pump the tank out by hand if needed. I see folks with "Y" valves in the Bahamas pumping their tanks out on the outgoing tide, it is kind of standard practice, and necessary in a country without pumpout stations.

I don't feel too guilty about this. When the Disney cruise ship leaves Port Canaveral, they wait for the 3-mile limit and then dump tens of thousands of gallons of black water, leaving a streak that can be seen from the air. And such a cute little mouse, too.



1975 32' Flybridge Sedan, twin Perkins 6-354 diesels, 1:1.53 velvetdrives, 16 X 19 props. Merritt Island, Florida
fastjeff
#18 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:46:41 AM(UTC)
fastjeff

Rank: Administration

Medals: aluminum star: For Marinette Owners Everywhere above the call of duty

Groups: Admin2, Admin2, Admin, Administration, Member
Joined: 12/5/2007(UTC)
Posts: 3,133
Points: 5,732

Was thanked: 34 time(s) in 30 post(s)
..."When the Disney cruise ship leaves Port Canaveral, they wait for the 3-mile limit and then dump tens of thousands of gallons of black water, leaving a streak that can be seen from the air. "

Yuck! Even worse was what the railroad did years ago. Standard passenger car practice was to discharge the, ah, toilet contents as it accumulated between the rails as the train went along. One of the attendants jobs was to make sure no one used the toilets when the train was in the station!

Jeff
"...reality is not nearly as lovely as the world of Liberal Land. No wonder so many people want to go there." - Tom Sowell

jralbert
#19 Posted : Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:40:09 AM(UTC)
Rank: Administration

Groups: Admin, Administration
Joined: 12/4/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,117
Points: 665

Was thanked: 12 time(s) in 12 post(s)
I concur with the advice to put the higher concetrate stuff in the tank - not pink stuff - and make sure you run the macerator to get some AF into it and beyond. If the marina doesn't like the idea of pouring crud from your discharge outlet on its ground..get a really big bucket.
Joel Albert, Potomac MD
"Charlie B" - 1988 32' FBS
Twin 318's/FWC/16x15 nibral props
docked Deale, MD
dependo
#20 Posted : Friday, December 03, 2010 1:47:50 AM(UTC)
dependo

Rank: Marinette Royal Aluminum Poster (300+) posts

Groups: Member
Joined: 12/6/2007(UTC)
Posts: 477
Points: 212

Thanks: 1 times
Was thanked: 6 time(s) in 5 post(s)
Jeff, What about adding rock salt to the tank. Wouldn't that keep it from freezing. Wayne
1973 express FB 32ft
twin 318
"Southern Lady"
Chattanooga
pfhlaw
#17 Posted : Friday, December 03, 2010 4:08:28 AM(UTC)
pfhlaw

Rank: Marinette Royal Aluminum Poster (300+) posts

Groups: Member
Joined: 12/10/2007(UTC)
Posts: 538
Points: 1,353

Thanks: 2 times
Was thanked: 8 time(s) in 8 post(s)
dougrose wrote:
I notice, though, that there is a thread in the deck fitting that the marina screws their hose fitting into. It is a standard thread. Perhaps you could just screw a pipe into it for a one-time pumpout, if you can't get an RV pumpout guy.


The white plastic original Marinette deck fitting has both a standard suction hole and a self-pump out hole that is a standard garden hose thread. Its' connected to a discharge mascerator under the v-berth that pumps out the holding tank up to the deck and into a hose and bucket (or sewer) instead of through the hull so it's legal. Doug, your model might be too early for this feature. I think it was added in response to the ban on through hull discharge.
Peter
1981 32' sedan bridge
twin Chrysler 360 cu. in. 250 hp engines
Raw water cooled
Nimbus II
Home port: New Buffalo, MI
Users browsing this topic
guest
2 Pages12>
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Powered by YAF 1.9.5.5 | YAF © 2003-2011, Yet Another Forum.NET
This page was generated in 0.259 seconds.