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Capt. Chad
#1 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 12:08:45 AM(UTC)
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebay...amp;hash=item4154f842c8

The one and only aluminum PT Boat built for the navy during WW2. Too Cool.

Still not as fast as my 32' though.
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#2 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 12:19:25 AM(UTC)
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I am with you Chad. That would be cool on Ft Loudon.
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#3 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35:39 AM(UTC)
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Chad; She sure is something. Never seen it before , great pic's of her on ebay site. Would have to mortgage Wanda for the down payment. Not sure if anyone on this end of the lake ... third world county ... could afford it. Sure would a sight to see on the river though.
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#4 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 12:44:57 AM(UTC)
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It says "Low Monthly Payments".


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#5 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 12:49:53 AM(UTC)
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OOOOH YEA.... I missed that thank god.
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#6 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 1:01:31 AM(UTC)
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would this be lots of fun!
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#7 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 8:38:42 AM(UTC)
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There was an aluminum shortage during the war, caused by the production of aircraft, so severe that Howard Hughes had to build his Spruce Goose out of wood (not spruce, however) and all the Patrol Torpedo boats were made out of self-destructing plywood (Jeff take note) and I think pretty much all of them are gone. I remember some being converted to yachts back in the 60's, but have heard nothing more.

Think how great it would have been if all those boats had been aluminum! Enough for at least one in every good size lake, like field pieces in front of VFWs.


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#8 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 10:33:10 AM(UTC)
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Just think busting A$$ across the water at 40+ knots instead of the average 23/28 knots in our 28s,32' & 40' + Whistle now that I stopped dreaming anyone know some good lotto #s I can play so I could afford that PT boat Think

Norm,

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PS: AL U'd be top dog on the Detroit River Applause
http://www.picturetrail.com/gid23690601 Try it now there's music to listen to while U view the Big M's

http://www.PictureTrail..../index.php?clubID=20726 this one for the Pix club


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#9 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 10:39:15 AM(UTC)
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Not if I outbid you Chad!!! and Mark!!!!Speak to the hand
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#10 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 12:11:17 PM(UTC)
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Interesting hull shape.. I wonder what the gauge/grade of aluminum is compared to our BigM 's? Looks like it has a lot of golf ball size dings in it. Could it be that since there was an aluminum shortage they used light gauge aluminum? And why make only one out of aluminum unless it was a proto or wasn't worth it or not efficient.? I suppose the plywood PT's were considered almost disposable and so easy to make they didn't bother using anything else.. We have a museum here at the Akron Canton Airport (MAPS Museum) that rescues old fighter planes and wartime aircraft and has volunteers that restore them and then they are displayed for the public. Actually, you can go through the buildings where they work on them also and see them in various states of repair. This would be a cool addition or even docked in Cleveland next to the USS Cod sub.. Very cool.. And why the goofy pictures of pictures of the interior?
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#11 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 4:07:59 PM(UTC)
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BE VERY CAREFUL -WHAT YOU -WISH-FOR!!!!-Sorrydog
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#12 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 4:29:25 PM(UTC)
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Jimski will back me up we have a wooden pt a sub ands a couple of squid ships in buffalo on the waterfront last I saw the old pt she was held together by the cradle she rested in I showed my dad it. He was a pt fishermen on one in the gulf coast during the korean war
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#13 Posted : Friday, December 10, 2010 10:12:18 PM(UTC)
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There used to be a real PT that took passengers out for a ride off the South Jersey beaches. I recall the sound of her Packard V-12s howling as she ran along! A marvelous sight and sound experience.

The boat for sale originally had twice as much power as it now has, hence the low speeds. Only the government (us!) could afford to run them.

Jeff

PS: The PT motors were water cooled V-12s of 2,500 cubes that were derived from the air cooled Liberty engine designed in a New York hotel room in 4 days by a small team of engineers, one who was Mr. Packard. Thousands of them were built and many flown in DHs before the war ended. A 45 degree V-12 (to fit the air frames) it had dual car distributors instead of magnetos since the designers were all "car people".
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#14 Posted : Saturday, December 11, 2010 1:08:43 AM(UTC)
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My dad took me for an excursion on that converted PT boat in Jersey.

Because it would have been too costly to ship them home, many of the boats were destroyed after the war. I have the book they show on the e-bay ad and it has a picture of dozens of boats being burned on a beach.

While having three big airplane engines initially made them fly across the water, these boats were high maintenance. With double-planed mahogany hulls (not plywood) they were reasonable durable, but not up the the rigors of constant high-speed use. After a few months of service, many could not top 30 knots.

To me, they typify the American way: instead of building the steel hull ships we need, we'll save money by buying some wooden boats with three big airplane engines to sneak up on enemy ships, torpedo them and run away. A strategy that almost never worked. However, PTs served well: ambushing armed barges and small troop transports, picking up downed aviators, tangling with enemy planes and escorting landing craft.

I have a book published in 1942 called "They Were Expendable". It was written as though it was an interview of the survivors of Motor Torpedo Boat Squadron 3--the group that was stationed near Manilla when the war broke out. It was commanded by Lt. Commander John Bulkley who garnered fame by getting MacArthur off Corrigador. Historians say there is a good bit of fiction in the book that was designed to stimulate national morale in the early days of the war, but there are enough facts to chill you. (And yes, the movie had even more fiction in it--some of the survivors of MTB-3 hated the movie.) When you read about what these men went through, you realize that your problems are small by comparison. What kind of a sailor volunteers to serve on a wooden boat loaded with high-octane aviation gas that will be sent into harm's way? The brave kind.
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Barkleydave
#15 Posted : Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:28:52 AM(UTC)
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In the late 70's and early 80's I kept our DNR Law Patrol Boat at Great Lakes Naval Base. The old pier I was on was once used for PT Boats for training. The orginal fuel lines and electric hook ups were still on the concrete pier but later removed.

When I was there there were still a couple of the the boats left. One was in dry dock and Naval reserve personnel were working on it for training and the other two were still operational but no longer had the aircraft power plants.

I had the opportunity to go aboard several times. It would have been miserable at sea and even worse in battle on board one of them. They were wood to help keep them light and keep cost down. The other reason was many of the missions took them into areas that had been mined. Some of them later were served dual duty as mine sweepers.

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#16 Posted : Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:41:11 PM(UTC)
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During WW II, magnetic mines were used by the Germans, so wooden minesweepers were used to counter them. Since the engines were still cast iron, EMD (GM locomotive) made SAINLESS STEEL diesels to power them! These engines are mainly built with weldments, so it was possible to make them from stainless. But $$$$$$$ Wheew!

Jeff
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#17 Posted : Saturday, December 11, 2010 1:45:20 PM(UTC)
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Stainless engines? Expensive, hard to machine and heavy. What about hull fasteners, struts, pistons and everything else, generators ( no alternators, correct?) Not enough metal to attract the mine's magnets? And I guess aluminum was out of the question for the engine castings because of the technology back then...? Wow, interesting stuff. Thanks, for the history lesson guys. Keep it coming.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, December 11, 2010 10:19:51 PM(UTC)
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Okay. The British made good use of their own PTs (called MGB--motor gun boats--and MTBs) in night attacks on enemy convoys in the Channel. (The Nazis were running ire ore in from Norway--critical for weapons production.) The Brits had boats similar to ours--in fact that's where the idea and design came from--but with a weird assortment of engines (including a marinized Merlin). Now, to sneak up on their prey they needed a far more silent arrangement, for the roaring exhaust of those triple engine could be heard for miles at night. The solution? They shut their main engines off and clutched in a heavily silenced Ford flathead V-8 to maintain forward motion. When it was time to attach, they crash-started the main engines and went roaring in, guns blazing!

Jeff
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#19 Posted : Sunday, December 12, 2010 2:16:55 AM(UTC)
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A lot if the old PT boats were built here in Jacksonville, Fl at the Huckins Boat Yard, were I sometime pull the larger boats I sell, still family owned. There are still afew old PT boats around, that people have converted to liveaboards. I have also seen several scapped out for the BRASS BOLTS that were used to hold the wood hulls together-these bolts are HUGE AND LOTS OF THEM!! As mentioned above they used these boats as minesweepers and wanted to go around the magnetic mines-reason for the Brass-may goggle Huckins to see if any pics of these old girls-others were built by a co. over in La. by the guy tat invented the landing boats, with drop down bow. Can't remember his name. Sorrydog
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#20 Posted : Sunday, December 12, 2010 6:46:50 AM(UTC)
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Chris Smith (DBA Chris Craft) And Mr. Higgins were in competition for the government contract to build landing craft.
Both built but Higgins was awarded the biggest portion of the construction of the Landing "Higgins" Craft. These were the smaller ones used on D day etc. The larger steel landing craft"LST" carried heavy equipment as well as troops. There is one in Evnasville,IN in the water on display.

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