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RCPRATHER
#1 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:47:39 AM(UTC)
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I am sure there are threads in here on this but thought I would just ask. What am I looking at in $ to upgrade my 318s with electronic ignition? And dose anyone have a list of parts needed and sources?
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:43:52 AM(UTC)
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So your distributors still have points in them? I have a '72 FB Express and my distributors (prestolite) have electronic ignition modules inside them from the factory.. I tried to upload a pic but the site won't let me.. Even though I have before.. Try searching MSD Ignition etc.. and several threads will come up.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:51:58 PM(UTC)
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As I read your post, your distributors already are electronic ignition type (Prestolites if they are original). If so, John S's setup is the way to go:

1. Replace the ballast resistors with screwed on wires type (NAPA sells them.) That eliminates the present, lousy connections.

2. Replace the old coils with high performance 12 VOLT coils that put out 45,000 volts. (Jegs or Summit Racing, on line.)

That's all there is to it.

Jeff
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:00:46 PM(UTC)
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Jeff,
Is there a way to check and see if they are the type you describe? I am pretty sure they are original. Should I take a picture? I am a great Carpenter but not so much of an auto mechanic. Lol
Thanks,
Rob
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On the Ohio River at mile marker 480
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:49:15 PM(UTC)
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Take the distributor cap off and have a looksee.. Under the rotor will either be a traditional points set-up, or a flat half inch thick metal doughnut looking piece that the distributor shaft goes through. Pics anyone?
Sean
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#6 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:13:52 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Sean! I will take a looksee
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#7 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:27:17 AM(UTC)
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Thr spark plug gaps may need to be reset with the higher voltage. A special gap gauge may need to be purchased.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:28:22 AM(UTC)
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Rob,

I know U live in KY but here’s a lead to a great place to have your distb. converted to elect. ing. if U give him a call U can get a up dated price on the conversion to Elect Ing. Back in the early to mid 90's when I owned my 74 express I was having one hell of a time with rusting springs & all the normal problems with the point type distb. finally some one on the old BigM site (I mean the original one that Joe H. took over) recommended “Murley’s Marine” so I talked to the guy over the PH he impressed me of his knowledge of the
BigM AnyWho I took both Distb.to him to convert. At that time about $249 ea forget what the new coils cost but once installed the “Shenanigans” ran like a new boat for the next 3 yr I owned Her. Might be worth a dime. BTW I get no compensation for this just like to give credit where credit is due. SickLeave Bob will more than likely vouch for his work & fair pricing Dancing

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#9 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:42:25 AM(UTC)
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This is the reluctor that is under the distributor cap of a Chrysler with electronic ignition:
pfhlaw attached the following image(s):
pfhlaw attached the following image(s): reluctor.jpg
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#10 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:44:05 AM(UTC)
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I tried to post what the electronic distributor looks like under the cap and rotor, but the site won't allow even a tiny photo to uplaod today. Grrr!

Jeff
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#11 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:26:58 AM(UTC)
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Will someone explain to me why 40,000 volts is preferable to 12-15,000 volts IF the lower voltage provides ignition. I have always wondered about this - especially since all the cars I grew up with ran fine on the lower ignition voltage....
Jim

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#12 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:55:20 AM(UTC)
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Hey Phflaw, that is what the newer ones look like. The older ones are different. In my 74 the reluctor has flat contacts instead of the pointy ones. And there are more differences too.
Sean
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#14 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:25:51 AM(UTC)
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(sorry sean..I couldn't help you post that photo -- explained it in detail in email to you. No matter how small I make it it still triggers a "too big" error message
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#15 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:44:45 AM(UTC)
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Tron. hotter spark equal more positive burn of fuel and complete combustion. Also smoother idles. JAM
75 FB express, "Big Enough II" twin 318s, 950hrs, raw water cooling, 1 to 1 transmisions, Beautiful Lake Charlevoix, MI

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#16 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:38:40 AM(UTC)
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Does the spark do more than just initiate the burn?
Jim

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#18 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 11:12:22 AM(UTC)
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No, but a hotter (more voltage) spark creates a more predictable/reliable burn. Better/smoother idling ect. Best analogy I can come up with is would you rather light a campfire with a match or a torch? JAM
75 FB express, "Big Enough II" twin 318s, 950hrs, raw water cooling, 1 to 1 transmisions, Beautiful Lake Charlevoix, MI

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#19 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:34:51 PM(UTC)
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Jim, I also can't see the difference between 12,000 and 40,000 volts to initiate combustion in stock marine engines. The stock point system and correct plugs on the older Marinettes if maintained properly should give a person no trouble. Cheap to take care of . I know the electronic has a hotter spark but there is a lot more cost when one goes out or just to convert. As far as Fuel milage goes , I'm not sure the difference could be noted. Do to all the variables, length, weight, water conditions, weather and work that has been done to the engines and so on. But again the electronic module is a no brainer to replace.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:42:08 PM(UTC)
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John S--who came up with the 45,00 volt (12 volt) coil setup--reported that his engines NEVER RAN BETTER after the change over. I have since recommended his set up to others (on the Marineengine Forum) and they have also had EXCELLENT results. If I wasn't such a Cheapskate I would have done it myself, last year. (I did install the screw-on ballast resistors, though.) This year--if we can all afford to go boating--I will definitely install the 'hot' coils and let everyone know how I made out.

Trust me, John S's idea is the way to go. There's no downside that I see.

Jeff
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#21 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:54:47 PM(UTC)
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Before I installed my Jacobs Ignition System on my 440, I would crank, crank, crank before the engine fired up. With the high voltage system, just touching the key would fire the old dog up.
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#22 Posted : Friday, January 14, 2011 1:14:47 AM(UTC)
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Back in the late 70's electronic ignitions were unherd of in boats for the most part. We experimented with them on one of are larger Lake Michigan Patrol Boats. (38 Chris Roamer with 327's). The Electronic ignition failed quickly and the reason was heat. The constant load on the system was more than it could take. Mallaroy had the dual point system which did a much better job so the electronic were history.

Later they worked out the bugs in the electronic ignition and the rest is history.

The advantage of high voltage coils basicly is you can have a wider spark plug gap. This creats a longer ark thus better ignition of fuel vapors.
Electronic ignitions tend to be more stable maintaining proper dwell. I have converted several classic cars to electronic and they all ran at least or better than before. Another advantage on cars and boats is they are less suseptible to moister from sitting. My old cars always had problems after sitting for long periods of time. Usually the problem was corrosion on point faces. We have all had that conditon on point ignitions on boats as well especially in a salt air environment.

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