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liquidplummer
#1 Posted : Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:12:47 AM(UTC)
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I have installed a new Attwood 6 gal heater in my boat. It is equipped with the internal heat exchanger which gets it's heat from the engine. Any suggestions on how to connect it to the 360 Chrysler.
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There is a 90 bypass hose ,on top of the intake,by the thermostat housing to the water pump. Connect it to there.
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Why? Someone gonna take a shower while you are underway?
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#4 Posted : Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:58:42 AM(UTC)
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Yooper,

When you run to your destination, you will have hot water when you get there. We like it because we will run to a spot to relax in the sun and having hot water when we get there is nice to wash up or shower after splashing in the water or doing other dirty stuff.

Max
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Could't have said it better. If the one connection is at the thermostat bypass where does the return go?
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#6 Posted : Sunday, January 16, 2011 12:43:57 PM(UTC)
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Here's a pic that may help The hose that is under the red & grey wire harness feed the water heater the return same sized hose connects to the manifold log is the return hose all it was was a 3/4" npt an adapter is needed for what ever size hose U'll be using if I recall it was 1" hose sorry about being able to where return hose acually connects HTH

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If you took the bypass hose off, You would have 2 conections.
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Be careful that your hot water doesn't get too hot. I've heard of people getting burned by 180 ' F hot water generated by their engine. A tempering valve in the circuit from the hot water tank would be a good idea.

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#9 Posted : Sunday, January 16, 2011 11:57:31 PM(UTC)
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I've heard of people getting burned by 180 ' F hot water generated by their engine.

Jeff,

If the thermostat is in working order & the proper one 145* to 160* on the eng. the water should not ever reach the temp U suggest & by chance the thermostat does go bad shouldn’t the pressure relief valve pop ? I know that if one uses the proper 120v heat element the hottest the water can get is 125* Think
AnyWho that’s on a Ratitian water heat heaters USCG approve. Now if someone goes to the of a Big Box store to save a few bucks & jeopardizes the crew & vessel all bets R off Shame on you

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#10 Posted : Monday, January 17, 2011 4:02:31 AM(UTC)
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I don't know if this helps, but I installed an engine hot water heater loop on a crewboat once. I removed two handy pipe plugs from the block, installed small gate valves and hose nipples, and ran the coolant quite some distance to the hot water heater. I used a small circulating pump wired through the temperature switch on the hot water heater to move coolant through the loop. I didn't rely on pressure generated by the engine coolant pump, and this saved me a lot of head-scratching.

This had two advantages: First, the water in the heater didn't get too hot since the heat was controlled by the 140 degree (?) switch in the hot water heater. Second, the hot water continued as long as there was heat in the block, which was quite a while for a big diesel. A panel switch was needed to shut the whole thing off when leaving the boat.

I plan to do this on my boat, some day.


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Doug,

If I understand you correctly (apologies if I'm off base...):
Your circulating pump is wired so that it will deactivate when the thermostat on the hot water heater "tells" the heating element to kick in.
ie. the circulating coolant from the engines has fallen below 140 deg F and thus can't supply sufficient
heating water thru the loop. So the water heater's element needs to kick in and pick up the slack.
--> This would then mean that a solenoid needs to be in the circulating pump's circuit that would trip/
activate when the current starts at the hot water heater's element - cutting the power to the
pump. This would then prevent heated usable water from transferring its heat to the circulating
pump circuit to be lost in the loop/at the engines. There'd be potentially some heat loss but if the
circulating loop used reinforced marine hose wrapped in insulation a couple of feet from the water
heater, it'd be minimal.

Correct?

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Jeff I think your idea of a tempering valve is a good one. Being a plumber I think I can handle the installation. My thermostats are 160 degrees and that is still way to hot, would cause scalding in about 10 seconds. And yes Yooper my wife has been known to take a shower on the way back to the marina in anticipation of me taking her out to dinner. She need to get all that muddy Mississippi river water off her. Thanks for all the information...
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#13 Posted : Monday, January 17, 2011 11:08:21 PM(UTC)
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Good move. Nobody wants to get hurt while enjoying boating.

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I worked for a hotel chain and our room service water was kept at 120 degreesF. to prevent scalding water lawsuits. Young kids are hurt when a toilet is flushed while taking a shower, keep your water tempaerature lower, saves on heating and people taking long showers.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:03:26 AM(UTC)
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Must be winter... wow some really sophisticated complicated ideas.

While I am not setup for engine heated hot water yet. I have had several on sailboats with small diesel engines in the past.

I have found in my experience once the water is hot in the heat it stays hot for a long time up to 6 hrs or longer in the summer. Mine were six gallons and it did not take long to warm it back up. By the time the water was cool it was usually time to top off the house batteries on the hook anyway.


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To All,

One easy way to do the job right & USCG approved is go to Ratitian water heater site they have the proper procedures on how to hook up a water heater on board a vessel. They also have replacement parts list to do the task in a safe mannerly way as not to jeopardize vessel & crew. I’m sure that if one has a different make water heater their site can provide the same info. Surely no Co. wants law suits.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, January 18, 2011 2:15:50 AM(UTC)
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Wow, Bill, you are way out ahead of me. The crewboat install was nowhere near as sophisticated as you are imagining.

The water heater was not wired to AC. A crewboat is normally not inhabited at the dock, and usually has no generator. Folks like hot water under weigh to wash their hands with and so forth, but that's it.

The water heater came with switch and heating coil. I used the switch as-is to run the pump. The pump came on when the water temperature in the heater tank got below its set-point, and went off again when the heater tank was hot. Just as it would with the ac heating element, only getting the heat from the engine block.

This left one problem: when the engine is cold, the pump runs continually since it cannot heat the water. I solved this by wiring the dc for the pump through a breaker on the accessory panel, so that it would normally be turned off when the boat is unattended.

If I had designed this from scratch, I would have tried to eliminate the hot water heater tank completely by installing a coil in the engine block to heat the water directly.

For use on our Marinettes, you point out the need to incorporate the ac heater, and I hadn't given that a lot of thought. But, I think I will do the following:

=> install an open-below-100 temperature switch in the engine, and an open-above-120 switch on the water tank.

=> wire the pump through both switches so that the pump shuts off when the engine is cold, and shuts off again when the tank is hot enough.

=> leave the ac switch (about 140) and heating element as-is, so that they work at the dock.

The ac element should keep the water hot enough to suppress the pump, but who knows until it's tried.

Again, the elegant solution would be to route the water feed for the hot water tank through a coil in the engine so that the heater gets a hot water feed whenever the engine is warm. This might be practical, I need to climb around the engine and look for a place to put it.

Doug


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Doug,

The below 100 / above 120 switch idea sounds great. Direct heat from the engine(s) has a lot of merit as well. I hate letting good energy go to waste...
... either I'm starting to think like Jeff -or-
... my frugal German heritage has raised it's (hair too thin) head again... :-)

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#19 Posted : Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:33:10 PM(UTC)
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.."either I'm starting to think like Jeff "

My condolences!

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#20 Posted : Wednesday, January 19, 2011 2:11:50 AM(UTC)
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Bill,

I didn't mention it, but I have NO generator on board. Getting hot water from the engine is my only option away from the dock. I have one of those solar hot-water bag things, but it is not a serious solution even in sunny Florida.

The crew knows that after the anchor is down, it is time to shower and start dinner. So the timing works out well, with the 1400 lbs of engine taking a few hours to cool down. Maybe half that for you gasoline guys. I hope to get all of this working on my next trip to the boat....


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