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pre-purchase jitters - again
jcs707
#1 Posted : Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:21:27 PM(UTC)
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About two years ago I sold my beautiful 1979 32 Sedan Bridge, and have regretted that decision ever since. So now I'm thinking about another one and I've located a really nice 81 32 Sedan Bridge in Knoxville. Planning to go look at it tomorrow. However, now that I look back through the forum - all of the old and familiar concerns come flying back ...and I'm starting to question whether I should get back into this. My biggest concerns are the Ethanol and old fuel tank issues.

With that said, is the Ethanol problem over-stated ...or is it really that serious? I've read many of the post on this forum and others ...and it seems pretty darn serious. I, like others, would probably not run my boat enough to use the fuel in a timely manner - so I suspect I might run into significant problems.

And the fuel tank issue. Was there a model year where aluminum tanks were standard on all Marinettes? Should the 81 have aluminum tanks?

Also, for any other Knoxville forum members - the boat is at Concord marina (boat name is 'Sandpiper'). Please PM me if you know anything about this boat.

Thanks,

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#2 Posted : Saturday, January 22, 2011 4:50:39 PM(UTC)
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Welcome back.

The '81 should have aluminum tanks. If you use your boat, regularly, the ethanol won't be a problem. Keep your tanks full, especially in the winter.

Some marinas sell ethanol-free gas. Mine does, and I use that.

I would NOT let this be a factor, in your decision...

John



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#3 Posted : Sunday, January 23, 2011 12:04:41 AM(UTC)
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I am two slips on out the dock from Sandpiper. It is the cleanest and best equipped 32 I have seen and has been well maintained. As for the Ethanol, the aluminum tanks are a big plus and like stated above keep your tanks full and add a good Ethanol stabilizer.
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Barkleydave
#4 Posted : Sunday, January 23, 2011 1:47:05 AM(UTC)
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As much as we love our BigM this is going to be a terrible year to try and sell one and a good one to buy. Not only are they undervalued... but the projected gas jump (which is already happening it is 4.25 at one marina here already!) will further depreciate value and demand for our thirsty boats in general. Summer proections for fuel at marinas is over 5.10 per gal. (some are sayng it will go even higher) which will keep mine at the dock for most the season.. :(


I wish our marina was selling ethonol free fuels but they now are selling the junk, and I noticed about a 10 percent increase in fuel consumption and of course the cost has not gown down per gal.

Dave
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#5 Posted : Sunday, January 23, 2011 12:56:17 PM(UTC)
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Well, I took a look at the boat today - really nice. However, there were some disappointments (aren't there always). The current owner (owner 3) has owned it about a year. The previous owner (owner 2) did most of restoration including, total repaint in 2006 (Imron), all new canvas (2006), new bottom paint (2006), and most interesting, new blocks for both engines. The boat is being advertised as 140hrs on engines. The back story is that when owner 2 had it hauled for the new paint job, the yard doing the paint work forgot to winterize the engines. Long story short - insurance paid for new blocks. Looked like new alternators and carbs. Raw and circulating pumps look original as do the exhaust manifolds. Lot's of nice newer electronics and the interior is very very nice.

The only bad points - current owner has no receipts of any of the work done by owner 2. Current owner has left the front deck pads on and the trapped moisture has bubbled the paint finish - what a shame. And, the Capac is registering 0.6 (yikes!). Unable to start and listen to engines - boat winterized.

All and all, a real nice boat - contemplating an offer this week - of course I'll have the usual contingencies on bottom survey, engine (compression) ...etc.

Shamrock - yep, I walked around your boat today ...without a doubt the nicest 37 I've seen.


/Clint
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#6 Posted : Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:18:53 PM(UTC)
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On the gas thing I don't care if it goes to 10 a gallon I love boating and bought my economic big m to use it if your unable to afford to pollut the air with gasoiline powered motor and don't want to waist 5 hundred bucks in gas you are not gonna burn why couldn't one plum a o/b set of cans for little short cruises. Surely you can buy 4 10 gal tanks. 40gal would get me to the fishing hole or to the birthday suit swimming hole or most importantly to the beach bar to look at young stuff I can't have if you love boating as I do you'll buy her up and enjoy playing in the engine room that's why I got a boat just to open haches and look like I know what im doing so I can give bad advice to other slip neighbors , so with that GO GET IT "YOU LOOK GOOD ON THAT FINE CRAFT" that boat looks great under your azz , my favorite Are you the captain of this ship? We have a 37 3 slips down from us and they are amazing the flying brig is like a mile up any way I'm getting writers cramp on my thumbs love the droid good luck
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#7 Posted : Monday, January 24, 2011 12:41:51 AM(UTC)
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Clint Your assessment is dead on with what I have been told and observed about Sandpiper. Most all of the M.s on Ft Loudoun that I have been on appear to have low Capac readings around .6. I have new anodes and Mag on my trim tabs; I am not sure how long my current 1.0 reading will hold.

Thanks for the kind words about my M.

Jeff J
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Barkleydave
#8 Posted : Monday, January 24, 2011 1:00:38 AM(UTC)
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Sounds like a great boat. Lots of $ put into her. Imron jobs run into thousands of dollars quick!

CAPAC: The reading is pretty common in very fresh water. The readings do not mean there is corrosion taking place. It just means there is the potential for concern and further investigation may be warranted.

Mine will hover around .8 but a mag guppy over the side at the slip pulls it up to 1.02. (New anodes September 2010)

Check for isolation at the shaft couplings since they were disconnected when the new blocks were installed.

Check for current or past corrosion issues. Most likely it is not a problem since the previous owners invested big bucks in bottom annd top coatings.

dave
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#9 Posted : Monday, January 24, 2011 2:19:20 AM(UTC)
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I bought my boat last spring and the Capac read .8 at the sea trial (in a pretty poluted harbor, lots of farm run off), .75 one week later when I drove her home, and at my dock, read .68 (in much cleaner water then I brought it froms location) and when I yanked it bottom shows no signs of pitting. I have refurbished (ground down) the sacrificial anodes tho, just because they looked skunky. FYI JAM
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#10 Posted : Monday, January 24, 2011 3:14:04 AM(UTC)
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That MIGHT do it, but if I were you (boating in fresh water) I'd add a nice chuck of magnesium to my trim tabs. Captain Wayne recommended that to me years ago--bless his heart--and it's worked super ever since: CAPAC of at least .090 volts, all summer long.

Jeff
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#11 Posted : Monday, January 24, 2011 12:53:20 PM(UTC)
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The man that surveyed my boat up in Michigan, said that when the anodes were funky on the surface the were "sponge like" all the way through. I believe him.

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#12 Posted : Monday, January 24, 2011 4:52:37 PM(UTC)
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Roger2 wrote:

the surface the were "sponge like" all the way through. I believe him.

"Well Don't" if U have a piece laying around cut it in 2 & U'll see he must of been misinformed him self & misinfromed U Whistle

Norm,

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#13 Posted : Tuesday, January 25, 2011 12:42:17 AM(UTC)
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Norm,
On an average, how often do you change anodes? Mine were about 3 years old.

Roger
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:19:44 AM(UTC)
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Spongy? No way

I change mine when they are about 1/2 gone. Last time was three years and they was still at least 75 percent but I changed them anyway.
You should get three years easy I am on Cumberland which is cleaner than Miss however.

I could have just cleaned them off and would have gotten another year or two. Now they should last much longer if boat is hauled in winter. Mine is in year round.

Usually what happens is crud gets in behind the anodes and you loose conductivity. Removing and cleaning making sound should restore low readings if they continuity was poor.

dave
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:36:41 AM(UTC)
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Roger,

When I first bought the OTM I changed the anodes on suggestion of the PO him saying they where the original 89 changed in 02. Since than till I sold the OTM I just cleaned yearly by S.S. wire brushing them to a shine & cleaning the contact areas to a shine I used AL. spacers so as there would be twice the area, on suggestion of a builder of AL commercial fishing vessels. A long story short with clean anodes & good isolation in the 9 yr I owned the OTM the capac meter held a steady 1.0 to.09 constantly in all those yr The reason I said the surveyor mislead U was most of them are great on plastic boats but don’t know squat about AL vessels. To the newbies if & when U have to get a surveyor ask him how many Al vessels he has done, if answer is a couple look for a different Guy ? That’s in my Humble opinion AnyWho Oh BTW I have a magnesium loaf of bread 4 sale $ 30 + shipping for those that are having low readings that have not found the cause of yet. Anxious

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