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MetalHead
#1 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:46:04 PM(UTC)
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Are any special permits needed to haul Marinettes that are over 102 inches wide? Example - 32 FB Sedan ? I know the FB has to come off to keep the height down.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:11:09 AM(UTC)
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According to USDOT anything hauled over 10' width has to have a wide load permit for every
state that it’s hualed thru. U stated that it’s 102" wide most 32' are a 12' & require a wide load permit Anxious

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#3 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:54:00 AM(UTC)
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I was wondering if any of then post 50's - 60's era boats stayed inside the need for a wide load permit. I am still learning all the floor plans.

I know some of the BigM had an 8 foot beam.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:32:26 PM(UTC)
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Doc is corrr 10' year dose not matter in the eyes of the law. How far are you going? In past cops (dot) don't mess with boat movements I haul my 32f/b fisherman twice a yr in ny. BUT ny is "broke" so I may get pulled over and ticked. My boat fit through a 11'11.5"door at the stern is wear they can only get a measurement accurately and am not sure what we are at the square end. I like to play press your luck big bucks big bucks no WHAMIES
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#4 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 3:40:07 PM(UTC)
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MetalHead wrote:
I was wondering if any of then post 50's - 60's era boats stayed inside the need for a wide load permit. I am still learning all the floor plans.

I know some of the BigM had an 8 foot beam.


He was asking of the width of these boats and not saying age matters, even though we all know it does not, maybe a little, ok a lot.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 7:11:03 PM(UTC)
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To haul an Amish built shed over the route 5/20 bridge, you may also need a police escort. My friend had his shed built in two pieces to not have the police escort. Jim
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#8 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 12:01:03 AM(UTC)
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Capt Brent say's "at the stern is wear they can only get a measurement accurately." Not so Fast my friend, Got pulled last year haulin one from Destin to Knoxville. Must have been a rookie I was permitted for 14' and the Boat was 11' wide. To my surprise he dropped a plum line off either side until he felt he was at the widest point, made a mark on the pavement then measured that. checked everything else and then let me go on my happy little way. YES SIR, NO SIR goes a long way in these situations.Silenced
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#9 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 12:08:15 AM(UTC)
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I was just wondering how much flack you get if you do decide to permit the move. Is it a simple task to get these permits.

Does anyone have one of the old Family Cruiser with the 8 foot beam they want to sell?

I have seen quite a few Sedans listed and wonder if maybe anyone has an old 8 foot beam Marinette and was wanting to part with it to get a bigger boat. ( A project hull would be fine )

I want to be able to move the boat. I live close to a lake, but I am about 2 hours from the TN river and would like to be able to pull and haul to different large lakes.

While I am sure you can do this with a Sedan , the older 8' beam would be better suited for this kind of movement.

Does anyone have any deatil photos of the construction of these boats? Or pictures of the belly of your own boats? I work with steel and aluminum (a little) and was wanting to see how all the framing is built. All the brochures and stuff I have downloaded are grainy.
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#10 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:24:14 AM(UTC)
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My 32' is 12 feet wide - the widest point is forward at about the forward edge of the cabin. The transom is less, do not use that as a guide.

My 28' was, as close as I could tell, a shade under 10' and I used to take it on the road without wide load permits, but there are still restrictions on where you can go. There is a website that give all that info for Florida, and you can probably find a website for other states.

The 28' is absolutely the largest boat that I would take on the highway, and even with my diesel Dodge Ram 250 it was not an easy tow. I gave up on the idea of dragging it to different places on weekends, it was just too much. On the other hand, the 28' is as nice a boat as I have ever seen, and with a single diesel is a perfect cruiser. The hull is very easily driven. I have often wondered whether moving up to a 32' twin was truly a good idea, what with marina fees and all the other added expense. All I get for the money is 1) better slow-speed maneuvering (the 28' was a dog), 2) a saloon to sit in when the weather is bad, and 3) a flybridge.



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#11 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 1:50:33 AM(UTC)
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Add a stern thruster, Doug, and you have the perfect boat!

I recall a single screw trawler docking a few years back (while we were sea trialing a 32 Marinette). The Skipper just nosed her in a bit, then let the stern thruster do the rest. Slick as can be. Ironically, the Marinette--that we did NOT buy--lost an engine on sea trial (twice, in fact) so WE had to do a single engine slip. Not easy (though I do it now and then for practice.)

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#13 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 10:30:50 AM(UTC)
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Jeff,

It is certainly cheaper to have one engine and thrusters than to have two engines. An outfit in florida makes stern thrusters that are just little sideways propellers mounted on the transom high enough that they are out of the slipstream on plane, but that move the stern back and forth at low speed. I would look at them closely if I still had a single.


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#14 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:12:25 AM(UTC)
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102" (8' 6") is the max width you can haul without a permit, at least in Michigan. Without a permit you cannot haul on weekends or holidays. Although I heard the weigh masters in Michigan don't work weekends. Now, will the State Police take an interest in a guy pulling his boat if you take it slow and easy? It's a roll of the dice.
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It was cheaper to hire a professional tractor trailer boat hauler to take a 32 foot boat to Florida than the fuel needed to drive it down the Canal and intracoastal waterway. And it got there a lot quicker.
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#16 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:39:22 PM(UTC)
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One more comment on the single engine plus thrusters arrangement: Meridian (AKA Bayliner) came out with this when they founded the Meridian line: One LARGE diesel plus thrusters vs. the usual paired diesels. The result was a cheaper yacht with good (but not outstanding) performance, simplicity (only one motor to maintain) and additional engine room accessibility (that we mechanics like!) It didn't go over too well for some reason, however.

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#17 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 1:04:40 AM(UTC)
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One argument against a single is the deeper draft, certainly a handicap in Florida, the land of skinny water. But I am surprised that the single diesel isn't more common - I certainly liked my single 28'


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#18 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 5:36:29 AM(UTC)
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Think "trawler" Doug! Love to get one.

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#19 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 1:24:47 AM(UTC)
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Another Hauling Question - On a early 60's M single engine, How far down does the screw extend. Is this counted as part of the draft?

I was wondering what type of trailer is needed to move a 28' Cruiser?
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#20 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 1:47:06 AM(UTC)
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..."How far down does the screw extend. Is this counted as part of the draft? "

Yes. On mine, the tip of the rudders is the lowest point, and it's 2 feet below the waterline, as "advertised". (That "10,500 lbs" weight is hardly accurate, however.)

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Jeff can you expound on “Meridian (AKA Bayliner)”?
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