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Jack Marchand
#1 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2011 1:37:53 PM(UTC)
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Well, did the bottom paint last week, read all the archives ( maybe more than once) and sanded (first with 80 grit and then went to 60 for speeds sake) the old girl down to smooth paint. Some areas were check marked and others with an excess build up and still other we were able to 'chipp off' the flakes, found less than a handful of corroded spots ( all small pits). After sanding to smooth, we put on an etching 2 part primer from W/M that said not to put on over old paint so we primed it sparingly/carefully, using less than a 1/4 quart to do all and ended up throwing a lot of that away. That paint had a brown cast to it and you could see thru it. Next came the barrior two part (gray) from W/M and that laid down nicely and built up the low spots very well. Last we put on the Trilux 33 and thats where the trouble started, instead of a nice smooth finish, I got what I would call a orange peel instead of quite smooth. I used a foam type roller and tried following up with a foam brush to tip, but by the time I got back to do it the brush just bouced across the finish. We were workin in 50 to 60 degrees so temp was not an issue, humidity was very low tho, that stuff just skinned over quite fast. the bottom looks excellant, but if you touch it, you feel its' texture. Any one have any suggestions for me? Oh, and as a side note both GFO seals worked flawlessly and I now have an extremely dry bilge, thanks all! I sat in the boat for a few hours at sunset and the bilge never came on! Reworked and balanced props ran silky smooth! Both engines started right up and this captains getting rather geeked up about the coming season.
75 FB express, "Big Enough II" twin 318s, 950hrs, raw water cooling, 1 to 1 transmisions, Beautiful Lake Charlevoix, MI

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#2 Posted : Monday, May 09, 2011 2:06:52 PM(UTC)
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Trilux 33 is an aplative paint. (It is designed to leach out the chemicals and wear off.

Since it is NOT a hard bottom paint it is not designed to burnish to a smooth hard finish.

Most the chemicals are lost within the first 12 months while in the water.


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Jack Marchand
#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2011 2:01:03 PM(UTC)
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So I will never have a nice smooth bottom (ahem) that I was thinking I would have until the paint wears down a bit? The old paint seamed to be smoother and was quite old.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:49:52 AM(UTC)
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My bottom job came out really nice to my surprise. Maybe I have a clouded judgment I AM NOT a painter but it looked better after than b4. And it stayed on all season.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:56:04 AM(UTC)
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I’ve used InterLux 433 Brush Ease when doing the bottom A/F painting it makes the A/F flow better & gives a nicer finished look which doesn’t matter cause 95 % is never seen once in the creek. AnyWho it worked 4 me Anxious

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:19:59 PM(UTC)
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Norm, I did thin the paint slightly, not the full amount (10%), because I thought it was cold enough to keep the paint thin, not dry too quickly and used the 216 thinner recomended on the can. Did you brush only or roll (I rolled to save time but if I can get a smoother finish will try brushing)? Is 433 ok for the trilux? JAM
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#7 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2011 4:05:19 AM(UTC)
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Jack,

First off did U Primer the whole bottom after prepping & sanding the old A/F paint with
Primocon underwater primer ? So as the new A/F would adhere properly to old A/F who know what type A/F the P O had on the bottom, for 3 seasons after Duffty’s passing his kids used theBigM U know how that goes. On pg 278 of the 2011 W/M catalog U can read up on 433 additive.
On how I did the bottom on mine I brushed the nooks & crannies & rolled the rest.On most A/F paints they warn to keep the boot strap low for this is not a attractive paint. Last but not least ablative A/F aren’t made for floating cottages the faster the vessel is ran the better it works so with fuel prices as they R most boater R screwed. d'oh!

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#8 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:13:59 PM(UTC)
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Directions said to sand old paint with 80 grit or more, it was trilux the PO's maintenance man said, as he applied it himself. Did that, and actually went down to 60 grit to speed up the process, and the primer said not to apply it over old paint just bare metal, so did that very carefully. The barrior coat was applied generously and consequently got a little larger with each successive coat and it filled in the rough spots pretty well. Followed up with the trilux, oh and wiped before each with the 216 to clear sanding residue from where we were to paint. It looks really nice but the final product felt like an orange peel ( a little bumpy ) almost, not the smooth as a baby's behind I was looking for, I was just wondering if that is normal? In the interest of getting the best milage possible you know. JAM
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#9 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2011 4:17:16 PM(UTC)
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? Anxious Sorry Jack one more ? how nappy was the roller hope U used foam Whistle
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Jack Marchand
#10 Posted : Saturday, May 14, 2011 1:27:26 PM(UTC)
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I used foam, can said I could also use either 3/8ths nap roller or foam and I thought foam would give the best final finish, so used that. Just kinda disapointed in the final finish, oh well maybe it'll polish down with time. JAM
75 FB express, "Big Enough II" twin 318s, 950hrs, raw water cooling, 1 to 1 transmisions, Beautiful Lake Charlevoix, MI

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