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Deck hardware removal and paint job
DiverDennis
#1 Posted : Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:37:17 PM(UTC)
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We have started our attack on the deck railing and hardware removal. Everything must go to facilitate sanding and painting
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#3 Posted : Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:10:50 AM(UTC)
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progress report: no corrosion under the rail bases or other hardware

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#4 Posted : Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:19:02 AM(UTC)
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One of the improvements I made on mine was at the bitt post: To allow the anchor line to go back in easier, I enlarged the hole in the deck with a sabersaw and ground out the hole in hte post to the maximum possible. Made a huge difference when stuffing the line back in.

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#5 Posted : Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:21:54 AM(UTC)
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copy that. gonna add a large Bollard / Samson Post to aid in hooking up to dive buoys.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:15:16 AM(UTC)
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Today was a good day. GOT THE AFT CLEATS OFF! I was able to reach thru the bilge vent holes to spray some PB Blaster on the screws and nuts. Used the cordless while putting pressure on the screw head. Cool.

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#7 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:19:13 PM(UTC)
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Laid the SB and PORT side railing sections on the floor today. She looks kind of naked up front.
Started sanding with 5 inch 8 hole ShopVac 120 grit. Fun, fun, fun.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2008 2:04:22 AM(UTC)
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Don't forget to put some goop on the screw threads before you reinstall everything.

If the hardware has not been removed since the factory you should have noticed a little bit of caulk on the end of the screw threads.

I can only guess that bit of goop helps seal the screw hole, preventing water from getting between the paint and Aluminum at that very tiny area.
I failed to do that after repainting and have a couple bow flanges that are slightly bubbling.

The flanges also need to drain.

The weep holes on the flanges are worthless. I clamped 2 bottoms together and ran the drill press through the existing weep holes to make them bigger. That worked ok but the gasket material gets pressed up into the holes and they will eventually plug.
I ended up using nylon washers in place of the gasket material. Works great, cant really tell unless you look hard and I can use the hose to rinse the mud out from under the entire flange.
They have been under there for 2 - 3yrs. Still tight as monkeys fist.

-Karl
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#9 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2008 7:15:58 AM(UTC)
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Karl,

Thanks for the tips. Jeff has some good info on his web site too.
I'll be taking a bunch of pictures for a future 'how to'.
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#10 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2008 12:40:25 PM(UTC)
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Removed the port side weld seam's fairing today. Using the trusty air chistle. Sure makes a mess. Pictures soon!
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#12 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2008 1:18:10 PM(UTC)
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Karl, I like you idea of nylon washers, I think I will go that way when I retighten my bow rails.

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#13 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2008 7:33:22 PM(UTC)
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I used 1/16 inch acetal cut into 2.75 inch diameter disks under the rail stanchions. I sealed the acetal disks to the boat using lifecaulk silicone sealant. Then, i used Tefgel (available from Sailor's Solutions) to coat the stainless screws before installing them. I used the acetal because it is hard plastic that will not absorb any water, has zero conductance to avoid galvanic effects, and does not mush up into the bottom of the rail stanchion to block drainage. I used the Lifecaulk sealant because it is not an acetic acid cure silicone - acetic acid cure silicones create a long term corrosion problem on aluminum because they create a conductive and corrosive acetate salt over time. Lastly, I used the Tefgel based on advice from Broward Yachts and Pluckebaum Yachts. It really slows down the stainless screw -- aluminum corrosion setup.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:31:02 AM(UTC)
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I used 1/16 inch acetal cut into 2.75 inch diameter disks under the rail stanchions. I sealed the acetal disks to the boat using lifecaulk silicone sealant. Then, i used Tefgel (available from Sailor's Solutions) to coat the stainless screws before installing them. I used the acetal because it is hard plastic that will not absorb any water, has zero conductance to avoid galvanic effects, and does not mush up into the bottom of the rail stanchion to block drainage. I used the Lifecaulk sealant because it is not an acetic acid cure silicone - acetic acid cure silicones create a long term corrosion problem on aluminum because they create a conductive and corrosive acetate salt over time. Lastly, I used the Tefgel based on advice from Broward Yachts and Pluckebaum Yachts. It really slows down the stainless screw -- aluminum corrosion setup.

Thanks for the great post! I want to use the acetal. Where do you get it?
I found many types: http://www.ptsllc.com/search/ListAll.asp
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#11 Posted : Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:03:04 AM(UTC)
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Removed the cracked paint and weld seam's fairing today. Using the trusty air chistle. Sure makes a mess.


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#18 Posted : Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:10:42 AM(UTC)
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Dennis,

That sure brings back unpleasant memories of my naval days of chipping decks & bulk heads for
eight hours a day 6 days a week Boo hoo! Doesn’t that scar the AL. somewhat Think but than I guest the
fairing will take care of that. They have a head out there that has a 3 point (star tip) that’s a lot
easier on the scarring we used them on the bulkheads. Any Who I don’t envy U one iota d'oh!

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bpboater wrote:
I used 1/16 inch acetal cut into 2.75 inch diameter disks under the rail stanchions. I sealed the acetal disks to the boat using lifecaulk silicone sealant. Then, i used Tefgel (available from Sailor's Solutions) to coat the stainless screws before installing them. I used the acetal because it is hard plastic that will not absorb any water, has zero conductance to avoid galvanic effects, and does not mush up into the bottom of the rail stanchion to block drainage. I used the Lifecaulk sealant because it is not an acetic acid cure silicone - acetic acid cure silicones create a long term corrosion problem on aluminum because they create a conductive and corrosive acetate salt over time. Lastly, I used the Tefgel based on advice from Broward Yachts and Pluckebaum Yachts. It really slows down the stainless screw -- aluminum corrosion setup.

Thanks for the great post! I want to use the acetal. Where do you get it?
I found many types: http://www.ptsllc.com/search/ListAll.asp


Look for Delrin - it is Dupont's version of acetal. I bought mine from US Platics Corporation
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#19 Posted : Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:07:09 AM(UTC)
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Just wanted to note that whenever I take anything off the deck, I overbore the holes and install rivet nuts, so that any future work can be accomplished from the top only. I use them to hold my swim ladder onto the swim platform, with success, and there is a lot of stress there when my 265' frame lumbers up the ladder.

I understand that FastJeff has used them for his stanchions, and he is the expert on this mechanical stuff.....

http://www.mcmaster.com/, look for Open-End Knurled Rivet Nuts.


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#20 Posted : Monday, March 31, 2008 2:29:00 PM(UTC)
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dougrose wrote:
.....Open-End Knurled Rivet Nuts.....

What type/kind? Aluminum with Zinc Yellow Chromate Plated?

From McMaster-Carr: To maximize strength and minimize corrosion, use rivets made of the same material as the pieces you are fastening. When an exact match isn't possible, choose rivets that are painted or coated.
Rivet Material - Stainless Steel, Steel, or Aluminum
Rivet Finish - Zinc Yellow Chromate Plated or plain Think
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#21 Posted : Monday, March 31, 2008 9:51:15 PM(UTC)
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I decided not to worry about the aluminum rivets corroding since it's very easy to drill the heads off and replace them. So far--about 3 1/2 years now--there has not been a problem.

Jeff
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:30:51 AM(UTC)
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I used McMaster Part Number: 94020A364 which is a 3/8" - 16 thread for the swim platform ladder. Four of them are mounted through 1/2" holes in the swim platform, and the ladder is bolted on with 316 ss bolts. I could have used nuts underneath, but it is a lot easier to work on, especially in the water, when you don't have to reach under the platform blind to hold the nuts. The rivnuts have no special protection, they didn't seem to need it. I think that this is because they are made from a soft material so that they will deform, and this puts them close to the Marinette alloy. I use the 1/4" nuts to mount seats and for similar uses, without problems. It is nice to be able to take out my flybridge seat without having to take down the overhead in the saloon.

McMaster sells a nice tool for these, but they can be installed with a bolt, a nut and washer, and a pair of wrenches.


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#25 Posted : Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:10:15 PM(UTC)
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Maybe I'm gonna have to cut an opening in the panel big enough for my big paw and a threaded plate. Boo hoo!
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