logo
Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Icon
Error

Firing motor for first time on the floor - advice............
chickencooker_2
#1 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2011 8:37:37 PM(UTC)
Rank: Member - Wooden Star

Groups: Member2
Joined: 11/30/2011(UTC)
Posts: 19
Points: 57

Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 3 post(s)
Chrysler 318 rebuild, want to start in garage before we hoist it back into the boat. I think I can hook negative battery cable to block, a wire from positive battery to positive side of coil, with a switch to shut motor off, cable from starter to touch to positive battery terminal for turning over. Does this sound right. Do I fill block with water then connect to hose - or just let pump suck water out of a bucket? How can I get gas into carb right away?
Sponsor
Please Register : To weed out spammers, new members may not post until approved. An email is usually sent after approval. This forum is for Marinette Owners and other aluminum boat boaters who wish to share boating information. Aluminum Roamer owners are also welcome. (Do not post content you do not have the right to post and mass (robots) posters are unwelcome. We also have a marine electronics page and lots of Chrysler Engine info. State by what permission you copy content and give credit properly.) The site is now fixed with some more Chrysler information. We have space for pictures on the new location. Use shinkpic to autochange size http://www.onthegosoft.com/sp_download.htm

Great Sites - http://www.marinette.com Marinette Company

http://web.me.com/dougmrose/Doug_Roses_Website/Welcome.html

http://fastjeff.tripod.com/ Repair Tricks and Techniques for Marinettes

http://www.greatlakesmarinetteclub.com/

PLEASE post in the appropriate folder. Please, do not post your actual email address in publicly readable websites. The first rule is be a class act.

Jack Marchand
#2 Posted : Saturday, December 31, 2011 5:14:19 PM(UTC)
Jack Marchand

Rank: Upper Crust Bronze Star

Groups: Member
Joined: 4/30/2010(UTC)
Posts: 162
Points: 398

Thanks: 1 times
Was thanked: 13 time(s) in 13 post(s)
A couple of tablespoons down the throat oughta get er done, but remember while doing this the carburater has been bypassed and will run wide open throttle until gas is used up (throttle valve and the choke will keep the speed reasonable, starve it for air), a couple of seconds of running is all you'll get, you need to realize that the water pump cannot possibly prime in that amount of time, so maybe a little wd40 (or some water soluable lube) to free it up so it doesn't self distruct would be in line, then if you want a longer run time on the floor gas line and water supply should be added for easier control and motor safety.
75 FB express, "Big Enough II" twin 318s, 950hrs, raw water cooling, 1 to 1 transmisions, Beautiful Lake Charlevoix, MI

fastjeff_2
#3 Posted : Sunday, January 01, 2012 8:20:56 AM(UTC)
Rank: Administration

Groups: Admin2
Joined: 11/30/2011(UTC)
Posts: 57
Points: 180

Was thanked: 13 time(s) in 11 post(s)
You need to run that motor for a while--especially if it hasd a new cam and lifters. (In that case, 15 minutes at 2,000 rpms, minimum.) I recommend sticking a water hose up the raw water pump hose and clamping it soundly.


The noise is not that loud, by the way.

Here's my garage break in setup. Note the chainfall holding the motor up AND boks to keep it from rolling over.

Jeff
fastjeff_2 attached the following image(s):
fastjeff_2 attached the following image(s): AA1.JPG
fastjeff_2 attached the following image(s): AA2.JPG
fastjeff_2
#4 Posted : Sunday, January 01, 2012 8:34:04 AM(UTC)
Rank: Administration

Groups: Admin2
Joined: 11/30/2011(UTC)
Posts: 57
Points: 180

Was thanked: 13 time(s) in 11 post(s)
Couple of other points: If the gas line to the carb is rigged up when you roll her over, to build oil pressure, that will fill the carb up.

But first, you want to spin the oil pump over with a drill before trying to start it. This requires a bit of ingenuity to adapt the hex shaft of the oil pump to the drill. When the oil pressure comes up on the drill, spin the motor over on the starter--plugs out--for a revolution or two. That gets oil to all of the rod bearings.

Next, put the distributor in and make at least three or four, 10 to 15 second starter bursts, still with the plugs out. (Keep one eye on that oil pressure gage at all times!) Finally, put the plugs in and light her up.

Note: If the oil pump gear is installed corrctly, the distributor will either be right, or off 180 degrees. If she backfires like crazy it's off 180.

Jeff
chickencooker_2
#5 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 12:08:24 PM(UTC)
Rank: Member - Wooden Star

Groups: Member2
Joined: 11/30/2011(UTC)
Posts: 19
Points: 57

Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 3 post(s)
Alright, this is very helpful. I was thinking of trying to fill the block with marine antifreeze initially so that it starts with something in it. I will have the fuel pump attached to a small tank of gas (does it need to be leaded fuel??) I have a mopar tool that I can attach to a drill to prime oil pump. So I need to have temp gauge and oil guage (which are on the boat) somehow connected to monitor during start up? I figured if water was coming out of the exhaust I would be OK there. I can get some cheap guages and hook them up. Thanks.
bpboater
#6 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 3:18:58 PM(UTC)
Rank: Upper Crust Bronze Star

Groups: Member
Joined: 12/15/2007(UTC)
Posts: 124
Points: 184

Was thanked: 1 time(s) in 1 post(s)
If you are running this with a pressurized garden hose, you can take the output hose off the sea water pump and connect the garden hose right to this hose. It will fill the block before you even turn it over. You will need to take the belt off that drives the sea water pump. Make sure the engine circulating pump is still driven.
fastjeff_2
#7 Posted : Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:03:01 AM(UTC)
Rank: Administration

Groups: Admin2
Joined: 11/30/2011(UTC)
Posts: 57
Points: 180

Was thanked: 13 time(s) in 11 post(s)
As I recall, I simply clamped the garden hose to the hose coming out of the raw water pump and let it flow before cranking her over. I did NOT use the raw water pump at all--sorry for forgetting that. (It was 5 years ago.)

What you don't want to do is just fill the block and fire her up, especially if IF you have a new cam and lifters in there. In that case, you need to let the motor run at 2,000 rpms for 5 to ten minutes (or even longer if neighbors permit).

If you're reusing the old cam, the same is true at initial start up--yu need high rpms to get the lifters spining in their bores or they wreck themselves. After the motor runs a while all will be fine.

Jeff
fastjeff_2
#8 Posted : Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:03:19 AM(UTC)
Rank: Administration

Groups: Admin2
Joined: 11/30/2011(UTC)
Posts: 57
Points: 180

Was thanked: 13 time(s) in 11 post(s)
As I recall, I simply clamped the garden hose to the hose coming out of the raw water pump and let it flow before cranking her over. I did NOT use the raw water pump at all--sorry for forgetting that. (It was 5 years ago.)

What you don't want to do is just fill the block and fire her up, especially if IF you have a new cam and lifters in there. In that case, you need to let the motor run at 2,000 rpms for 5 to ten minutes (or even longer if neighbors permit).

If you're reusing the old cam, the same is true at initial start up--yu need high rpms to get the lifters spining in their bores or they wreck themselves. After the motor runs a while all will be fine.

Jeff
Users browsing this topic
guest
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Powered by YAF 1.9.5.5 | YAF © 2003-2011, Yet Another Forum.NET
This page was generated in 0.102 seconds.