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RiverRatt
#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:49:36 AM(UTC)
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I have been looking at my rear deck. The wood is not rotted. The notelex covering is scuffed and starting to peel. The rear deck leaks around seams and drains. Not to mention the bad design hatch. (The back deck looks like it has been replaced and is not original)

Well, I am about to do away with it all. Replace with aluminum tread plate and fabricate a hatch with a channel drain.

Has anyone done this?

Standard aluminum tread plate in my suppliers stock is 3003 H22. They also have 6061 but it is more expensive.

I am in fresh water is there any problem using a non marine grade alloy for this application?

If anyone has aluminum deck, is there a noticeable increase in noise transmitted from the engine space?

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#2 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2008 1:50:02 AM(UTC)
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My rear deck is foam/fiberglass sandwich put there by a previous owner. It is permanent, and there are hatches to access the rudders and fuel fittings.

Don't do this. Make sure all the panels can be removed. I am awfully tired of hanging my 265' frame upside down through a hatch to work on stuff.


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#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:02:19 AM(UTC)
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I have not replaced my rear deck yet, but it is the next major project on the list.

I am looking for any comments on the following ideas for a replacement rear deck on my 32' Sedan.

1) Replace the deck with 1/2 plywood cover with 1/8" or thicker PlasDeck. The pluses are it look very durable not too bad to install. The problem is it is expensive over $1200 for PlasDeck materials plus the wood ect.
http://www.plasdeck.us/index2.htm

2) Replace with bolt down aluminum plates??? Height problems to match with door sill, more noise transmission, cost.

3) Replace deck with 5/8 plywood and seal and paint with Durablak (self applied bedliner/ no skid coating). The down side will it look good??
http://www.nonslipcoating.com/

4) Do an original replacement with Nautolex
http://www.omnova.com/pr...tery/marinedecking.aspx

I also looked a King StarBoard plastic, I called the MFG and they talked me out of it because of the thermal expansion 1/32 per square foot 40 degree temp change. You would have trouble sealing, and holding down (the screw holes would have to be ova led or larger to let the product move. It is more for non constrained areas like a swim platform ect.
http://www.kingstarboard...s/_StarboardFamily.aspx

Any ideas, suggestions or experiences?

How long does a Nautolex deck last on average?

Robert



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#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:38:58 AM(UTC)
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RiverRatt wrote:
How long does a Nautolex deck last on average?
Mine is 20 years old and on its last legs but still intact. Dreading replacing it and making same choices you are deciding right now. One (expensive) possibility is Plasteak (not Plasdeck). It would last "forever" and require little maintenance. One of the guys on this board has done it. Requires some extra support. Looks first class.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:48:05 AM(UTC)
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My Nautalex has lasted 27 years and still looks good.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2008 5:46:11 AM(UTC)
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jralbert wrote:
One (expensive) possibility is Plasteak (not Plasdeck). It would last "forever" and require little maintenance. One of the guys on this board has done it. Requires some extra support. Looks first class.


I reviewed the post on the PlasTeak. I dont think it is watertite. It looks like planks with a "T" slot sone type of joint between, you would have to seal between each one. I wold also check into the expansion considerations for that material also. It could shear off hardware or bow up in the heat.

I agree it looks first class.
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Don't want to sound like a shill for them but they also sell another product that is a solid surface that probably goes over a wood base. Check their web site. This second item is even more expensive but looks like real teak and holly. I've seen it at boat shows and it has a super appearance. Your call whether it's worth the money.
You are right about Plasteak strips, they are tongue and groove and would leak. My recollection is that they make a special sealant that would fix that. But as I noted, at least one other person has used it for their rear deck. If the photos are not here, I think you might find them on the old Marinette site
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My deck was rotten, replaced it with Al sheet screwed down with stainless screws. Made hatches reinforced underneath with Al angle. Thought it would be slippery but it is fine. Would like to seal the hatches or have drains somehow. My hint on plastic--you do have to allow for lots of expansion, but I like to fasten the center down solid and allow the ends of the piece to float. Have half the movement on each half rather than full travel over the piece everywhere so it can move if it wants to.
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#9 Posted : Friday, September 05, 2008 12:11:11 AM(UTC)
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It looks like I am going to replace the deck with the original Nautolex. I reviewed the post http://www.marinetteboat.com/nautolex_deck.htm. The post talked about a gutter for the hatch.

Do any of the forum members have a gutter setup on their rear hatch?

If so how did you do it?


Robert
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#10 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:59:23 AM(UTC)
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I realize this is an old string, but I am interested in how everyones projects turned-out. I am looking at replacing the rear deck of my '68 32' and am concidering using a marine grade plywood with a 1/32" teak and holley veneer. This stuff is expensive at $230 a 4'x8' sheet. anyone tried this approach? It looks beautiful and i'm waiting for a small sample to assess weather it's too slippery when wet. Thoughts?

Brooks in Atlanta
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#11 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:27:10 AM(UTC)
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Brooks,

Even if U use marine plywood I’d suggest that U use West Epoxy to seal the wood on all 6 sides at least 2 coats plus if there are going to be any hinge screws also drill out the double the size of the screws & fill with epoxy after the epoxy sets up screw the screws into the epoxy this will
prevent premature dry rot also as Jeff has suggested counter sink the drains a tad it’s unbelievable how much water that little lip will retain the water on the cockpit deck. Now my suggest would be to go with a Plastic or Starboard sub deck or main deck then if U want to cover it with teak or holly be it your choice. There have been many threads on this subject & many opinions but if & when I ever have to replace mine I’ll spend the extra $$$ & it’s done & over with plus it’s a good selling point to anyone that knows about BigM cockpit decks problems AnyWho that’s my ½ penny’s worth


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For $230 for a 4x8 sheet I would recommend using aluminum instead. You can also get sheets of it wider than 4 feet. I put down aluminum decking and am quite happy with it. Cut it with a skilsaw with a carbide blade, screw it down with countersunk stainless screws. Easy to put down or pull up to work below. Did mine in one big piece, would recommend doing it in two pieces to make it easier to handle. I like wood but not the cost or the maintainance that goes with wood, I just figure I now have an all aluminum boat.--Ed
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#13 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2009 1:08:51 PM(UTC)
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That's the way Marinette shpuld have done it as well, Ed. That rotted cockpit deck nonsnse has haunted our boats from their inception, driving down the resale value.

I intend to replace mine with aluminum as well, painted white to keep from getting a hot foot.

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#14 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2009 2:46:24 PM(UTC)
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The previous owner of my baby used some kind of plastic product for the aft deck. I hated the color and could have lived with it, but he face-screwed the hatches with drywall screws. His solution to the potential corrosion of the screws was to cover the deck with a roll-up slab of slippery rubber. (Really.) I thought about covering with Plasdeck after seeing it at a boat show. It looks great, but it was big bucks (real teak would be much cheaper) and a LOT of labor. After some discussions with John A, I had him replace my aft deck with AL. He now sells kits. Check his website.

We also took the opportunity to widen the hatches--the twin engine 28' is a little tight--and re-route the cockpit drains out the transom with aluminum channel. I can't say the noise is any different than a wood deck, but I haven't taken any readings. Jeff is right, the factory should have made them with AL decks. The houseboats had all-aluminum decks.

It may cost a bit more to use aluminum, but you'll only have to do it the one time.
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"...go with a Plastic or Starboard sub deck or main deck then if U want to cover it with teak or holly ..."

If you are going to the expense of starboard, I'd leave it uncovered since it's indestructible. My vote would be for Plasteak. Low low maintenance, extremely long-lasting. Probably same price range or cheaper than teak and holly. There is a simulated teak/holley product also from the plasteak people. seems to lay down nicely but needs a subfloor which could be a cheap plastic. Get rid of the wood.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:52:55 PM(UTC)
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Has anybody tried Nautolex over aluminum instead of plywood, still would have the classic big M look, but can't rot.

Fred
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#17 Posted : Friday, January 09, 2009 1:44:56 AM(UTC)
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bruegf wrote:
Has anybody tried Nautolex over aluminum instead of plywood, still would have the classic big M look, but can't rot.

Fred


You can get fiberglass panels that are like plywood out of divinycell or nidacore. They aren't cheap but they would go right back in where the plywood was and could easily be covered by Nautolex. I used these on my 32 but left the finish as gel coat.

To allow easy removal of the deck I inserted T-nuts into the deck material and bolted the deck down with 1/4 bolts and 1/2" x 1 1/2" (approx) clamp bars. Loosen the bolt a turn or two and you can swing the clamp out of the way. This will work fine with plywood too.

HTH

John
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John:

What is a "T-nut"?

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