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Docsnow
#21 Posted : Friday, January 09, 2009 5:56:34 PM(UTC)
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Jeff,

They have pix of a few Tee bolts on page 3105 of the McMaster Carr’s web catalog if U - R interested in seeing what they look like Think

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#22 Posted : Friday, January 09, 2009 11:04:51 PM(UTC)
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Oooooh. So, how are those things used to secure the cockpit deck? Does one hammer the head down into the plywood (or other) material, then tighten the nut from below?

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#23 Posted : Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:00:13 AM(UTC)
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Jeff,

Seeing Mr. Hall started this topic on the Tee nuts & bolts & has executed this task. I’ve used the Tee nuts before (applying ice cleats ) but not in the way John H. has so I think it best he describe the method & so forth. Seems like a fresh idea on how to secure the cockpit decks down if one was to use a soft material like wood or a plastic composition. Applause


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#24 Posted : Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:32:28 AM(UTC)
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These T-nuts are commonly used the seat bases and backs to mount them to their aluminum frame.

If mounting them in plywood you drill a hole through the plywood that is the diameter of the body. You insert them from the side opposite where you will be bolting them to. You don't really need to hammer them in because when you tighten the bolts up they set into the wood. If I was doing a deck I would probably use a forstner bit or something similar to counter sink them 1/8" so they are flush beneath the nautolex.

In a fiberglass panel (5/8" thick) you just epoxy them in flush with the bottom. They don't need to go through the top. Insert a 1/4 bolt into the T-nut (with mold release or grease on it) all the way to keep the threads clear and to help you position it. Although position is not really that critical.

Now to fasten the deck down you will need these about every two feet or so on the edge of the panels but 3/4" inside the deck supports. Then it is a simple 1/4" bolt through a clamp or dog. This way you can place the panel down with the clamps loose and swing them over the aluminum frame when you are ready to tighten the bolt. This way there are way less fasteners and the bolts are much easier than the screws to work with. Stainless bolts and nut of course. Aluminum flat bar clamps. Aside from caulking you can place or remove the entire deck in a matter of minutes.

Did I make this clearer?

John
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#25 Posted : Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:43:24 AM(UTC)
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Yes! I like the idea.

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#26 Posted : Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:01:49 AM(UTC)
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John, Hall,

Nice write up.Applause John,
I believe even Jeff, will be able to follow that write up to a Tee Damn that devil got hold of my fingers again honest Jeff, he made me type this Whistle

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#27 Posted : Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:38:08 PM(UTC)
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Sure he did, Norm!

What is a Tee bolt again..

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#28 Posted : Saturday, January 10, 2009 11:50:02 PM(UTC)
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Jeff,

My the Coasties put one a cross your bow if I’mLiar that little Dickens just seem to have his own way. But all kidding aside that’s a really good way of securing the cockpit deck down that John H posted Applause If in I ever have to redo mine that’s the way I’ll definitely do it cause I’ve already decided to go with either AL. or some Plastic composition that is UV protected like Starboard hopefully the prices of either come down (doubtful Not talking )  even albeit the oil prices have dropped Applause

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#29 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:31:34 AM(UTC)
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Hey Norm,
Just because the Lions didn't make the playoff, you don't have to resort to name calling.
Boo hoo!
Scratch my back with a hacksaw..........................
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#30 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:11:59 PM(UTC)
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I Did my deck with plasteak
Send me an e mail adress and I will send you the picture, I have them at work. Lots of work but well worth it. I also made the panels next to walls on far side of each engine pop out for easy reach and maintenance. I was told not to go over 1 foot unsuported. I used a 3/4 plastic board for hatches with plasteak on top. Also used redwood board to stifen hatches (like stringers). I also put several aluminum Ring hatches in back. Pictures show them. I had to cut the aluminum rings and weld back together. You use the plasteak material in rings which lifts out. I cut the rings to fit inbetween supports. I have no place below deck that I can not get to real easily.Other than deck my other choice improvment was the remote oil filters. I have had engines and trans out several time. Modifyed a cherry picker to pull engines between its legs and up on deck. When engines are up I lower to ground useing a cheap pick up bed crane mounted to swim platform.I also have some nice Edelbrock Carbs.
I made all new SS strips for all hatches, what a lot of drilling. Still had same drill bit at end. Trick is a slow speed drill press with oil and a good Cobalt drill bit (a step above Hi speed steel). I found when I took old floor out it was held in place wit SS screws below on support edges they did not use all SS washers on my boat at lot of which were no longer there. You will need a close quarters VSR drill to drive in screws no matter what floor you use. My cherry picker is available for any one close enough to come get it. looking forward to Mexico at end of Month. SICK LEAVE, Bob
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#32 Posted : Monday, January 12, 2009 1:25:11 AM(UTC)
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All,

Thanks for the advice about the deck/ It sounds like y'all really favour the alluminum decking but I have to say the wood looks REALLY good... I think I'm sticking with the wood option and keeping her in a covered slip. My concern was the slippery factor because it'd be nice if my guests didn't have to worry about busting their ass every time they climb out of the lake (Lake Lanier Ga- 15' low). I'm not sure i completely understand the way to countersink the drains but i've got some good manuals to reference.

Thanks again floating bretheran!
Brooks
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#31 Posted : Monday, January 12, 2009 2:34:14 AM(UTC)
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I Did my deck with plasteak. Send me an e mail adress and I will send you the picture, I have them at work.
Bob: didn't you post those images on the old site? I wonder whether they could be cut or copied from there and pasted here?
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#33 Posted : Monday, January 12, 2009 3:33:05 AM(UTC)
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Brooks,
I'm not sure i completely understand the way to countersink the drains:

Two ways to do this if U have a wood bore a tad large than the outer Dai. Of the drain lip bore down slightly deeper than the thickness of the leaving enough room for a couple coats of epoxy to seal the counter sunk area most don’t have this type or size bore laying around unless they’re
avid wood workers. The next way is to run on down to Harbor Freight, they sell hole that size fairly cheap than using the above bore down to desired depth than bore hole that the body of drain will fit in chisel out to the outer ring now epoxy as above & Walla U a unobstructed by the drain lip to the scupper Pray

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#34 Posted : Monday, January 12, 2009 6:15:47 AM(UTC)
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I will try and pull pictures and post to site. I have some computer geeks at work (we will see if our system will allow it) other wise I will try from home. I have trouble posting things at home at worst I can send them to some one who can post them. I stayed home today I will be back at work tomorrow or Wed (fighting a cold).
I should also post the chairs I build fropm plastick board and covered in vinal. Cushions are cooler seats so fo new seats I just snap on a new cushion also seat backs pull out slide on front side for sitting in port and faceing to Port. Got to shake this Cold as Mexico is coming at end of Month. SICK LEAVE, Bob
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I'm not sure i completely understand the way to countersink the drains


If you use a hole saw, mark the depth on the outside so you don't drill too deep. ( tape around the hole saw or a mark with a Magic Marker )
Drill the pilot hole ( 1/4" center hole ) then the outside bigger counterbore. Then the smaller diameter inside hole for the drain. If you allready have the smaller hole for the drain and don't have the center hole to guide the saw, the trick is to either clamp some scrap blocking behind the hole and drill a pilot hole through it to guide you or put the larger hole saw on the arbor and then the smaller diameter hole saw inside on the arbor. The smaller one will stick down past the bigger one and keep you centered in the hole.--Ed
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#36 Posted : Monday, January 12, 2009 10:46:32 AM(UTC)
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Bob,

If U’d like email me the Pix & I’ll try to post em for U. U say Cold I say U probably went ice fishing for walleye on the bay Applause
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#37 Posted : Monday, January 12, 2009 10:51:27 AM(UTC)
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Ed,

Great idea on the doubling up of the hole saws gunna try it this year & see if I can get them drains down below the surface of the of the nautaluxd'oh! What a stupid mistake when I redeckedBrick wall
AnyWho 3 Brewski’s for Ed, for that helpful tip Applause See old dogs can be taught new tricks Think

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#38 Posted : Monday, January 12, 2009 11:51:41 PM(UTC)
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Slick idea, Ed! If I had a brain I would have thought of that instead of the ugly mess I made of mine.

The morons who replaced the deck apparently installed the scupper drains in as an afterthought--they were a full 1/4 inch ABOVE the surface! No wonder the wood is shot, again.


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#39 Posted : Saturday, January 31, 2009 7:45:51 AM(UTC)
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Re: Aft Deck
sickleave Posted: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:24:01 PM

No plywood, but I was told not to go over 1 foot unsuported.
I put aluminum angle in for cross supports. On engine hatches I used a 3/4 plastic backing (ply wood replacement) and cedar stringers also. Flooring in 5 or 5 1/2 tongue and grove with 2 black plastic stripes in it. They loan you an electric weld gun for blastic and you weld the boards together with a black stripe. I had to shave the boards a hair inbetween so plastic layed perfect and in most cases you can not tell where boards go together. I would love to do cabin some day. If I did cabin I might use marine plywood and screw down planks at seams like a hard wood floor. I also used plastic backing under ring hatches in back. I have a fresh water pump through hull. Pump is piped up on each side of rear deck. I cut 2 section of plastic pipe and my section of strech hose fits in each. I had Boat top sewn to cover plastic pipes. switch for pump is on wall. I have like 14 salty dog rod holder on railing and tubing and some stand up rod holder that are usually used for landing nets.
There are 2 planer board reels mounted on railing at rear of hard top
the line from these goes forward to planer board mast and out.
You can operate reels from rear deck but line goes out at fron of boat so set lines are not too much to the rear. I have always said my boat is a fishing boat First and a Marinette second.
Make no mistake it was a lot of work. This is last post I am going to Mexico for a week. I will catch up on any posts when I get back.
All oval aluminum hatches were cut and welded to fit between stringers. There is no place I can not get to for Maintenance. In side panels beside engines I was able to fit 3 plastic water jerry cans on each side I played with Water (distilled water) injection for 2 years. Trouble with water injection is you have to adjust timing for good burn. Only problem is if water injection goes out you better reset timing or you will damage engines (I had timing up to 15 degrees with no knock). I wonder if they make an advance that I could adjust and turn on and off. I would love to put an HHO on demand booster on engines. I could put booster on deck and pipe in to carbs (just thinking out load). Going to Sunny Mexico for a week of Sun and fishing. Got to go and finish packing, I will give a fishing report when I get back or may post from a computer at hotel we will see.I have don a lot to my boat any thing I needed help with I have a Marine Mechanic that will hrelp we and show me the trick of the trade. SICK LEAVE, Bob

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#40 Posted : Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:33:46 PM(UTC)
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Would like to know more on H2O injection, sounds very interesting. With Gas?

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