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Bottom Paint Procedure (per Interlux)
karrakmc
#21 Posted : Saturday, March 27, 2010 3:19:03 AM(UTC)
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I have some bare aluminum spots on my lower hull. I am painting with schilling shedding paint. Where do I get the items to prep the bare spots?
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Not sure I understand the question. Recommended items are commonly available at marine dealers such as West Marine, Defender and others.
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#23 Posted : Monday, March 29, 2010 12:53:09 AM(UTC)
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Hello---I'm new to the forum. Have a 32' express that I'm currently (and endlessly) working on. Stripping the bottom paint. Jeff mentioned a "pure etchant" before the prime wash. Is there a brand name? Is it the same as phosphoric acid?
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#24 Posted : Monday, March 29, 2010 3:48:31 AM(UTC)
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I got mine from Sherwin Williams AUTOMOTIVE products (not the home care stuff). West Marine also sells something called Alonine (sp?). It's a phosphoric acid solution you spray on bare aluminum to change the slippery Al Oxide to something that holds paint. You then hose it off and let the metal dry thoroughly before spraying on a Vinyl wash etchant primer. It eats into the layer as well, then adds a primer for the epoxy to stick to. You can't wait too long before adding the epoxy, so plan carefully.

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dougrose
#25 Posted : Monday, March 29, 2010 4:59:18 AM(UTC)
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I have used alodine successfully above the waterline, and I have used Petit Metal Primer Pack 6455 below the water line, both with good results. After prep, I have used both Interlux Primocon and Interlux Interprotect 2000, with good results. I think that I prefer the 2000, and will likely use that next time I have the hull stripped and painted.


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Go back to the beginning of this thread where the Interlux-recommended steps are listed. I suppose you could apply the etchant first, as suggested by Jeff. The most important thing is to start putting it on as quickly as possible after sanding/blasting. And, you'll see the I'lux spec that the second coat (after the base) should go on within 24 hrs. After that, they say, you can relax with addl coats.
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Thanks ---the biggest problem is that the sanding and stripping has taken a LONG time, so the oxidation has been present for a while on the areas I started first. When it is fully stripped I'll post a picture.
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Make sure you sand again to get rid of that surface oxidation before you pick up the spray gun or paint brush. Agony, I know, but a hell of a lot less work than seeing your paint fall off and doing ti from scratch.
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fastjeff
#29 Posted : Monday, March 29, 2010 10:59:21 PM(UTC)
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Joel is spot on. You MUST acid etch before applying the epoxy or it will fall off. That aluminum oxide film is a lubricant.

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Finally getting to the bottom painting procedure... Prepping the boat today in advance of having her sand blasted tomorrow...
2 questions ..
1. Intent is to immediately (within an hour of an area being blasted) apply the 1st coat of Interprotect 2000 to the bare aluminum. This next may be a "just verifying" as I've found that Vinyl Lux Prime Wash is no longer available... The application of the Interprotect 2000 before the hull has a chance to oxidize will be ok as far as paint adhesion?

2. The CAPAC meter/sensor on the bottom of the boat is a 2 part deal: the outer "ring" which has the warning not to paint || the inner thin plate which is the sensor itself.
- Can, or should, the outer ring be blasted/sanded & painted? (Yeah, I know, there's the 'Do not paint' stamped on it, but it would seem that this applies to the sensitive inner sensor plate as it's the only place to post the warning.)
- I'm planning to cover the unit with a double thickness of aluminum (pie pans)but thought it better to ask about
how to treat the outer ring.

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Bill
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Bill...first the easy part: You are right, it's the center disc that is sensitive. But I covered the whole thing because I didn't wanted the embossed letters "Do Not Paint" blasted smooth. A pie plate overcoated with masking tape did the trick. Used the same kind of protection for a depth finder surface and something else that I can't remember. I also taped the bootystripe myself to make sure it was done right.

I think Interprotect is the stuff to use. It's supposed to go onto a clean surface. They airblasted (just plain air under pressure) mine after the bottom was stripped. And, I would wipe it down with a recommended solvent to get all the dust off. check my how-to post from about 4 years ago. If you have the least uncertainty about which etchant/first coat to use, call the mfr..don't rely on us geniuses. It's too important for a costly job like you have undertaken. Pls let us know how much speed gain you enjoy from your new smooth bottom and good luck with the project.
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The manufacturer of the epoxy paint I used said that the vinyl-lux was not needed if I applied the first coat within 2 hours of the sandblasting. They said the surface is rough enough for the epoxy paint to grip. I had already bought the vinyl-lux so I applied it, but if I had to do it again I would skip the vinyl-lux.
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Well, the sand blasting was completed on Saturday and the first coat of Interprotect was (feverishly, but thoroughly Pray ) applied. It was rolled on and it took a bit longer to apply because of the pitting that I knew was there (had been painted over by someone in the past [and some pits are pretty deep]). Next process will to be to apply PC-11 marine epoxy to fill in the pitting. This, I believe Pray will make the application of the subsequent coats a lot easier and go faster.

The one thing that had me initially perplexed was that the Interprotect 2000 shows a 3 to 1 ratio of paint to activator. Having not used the product before and the paint showing as a "1 gallon" I wondered... "Well, if there are 4 quarts to a gallon and there's a 1 qt activator with the kit, that means I'll have a quart left over?!? [3 qts paint to 1 qt activator]". Opening the paint can answered that question: The VOLUME of the can is 1 gallon, but the AMOUNT of paint is 3 qts. This would allow the purchaser to mix (carefully) the full quart activator in to the semi-full 1 gallon paint can.
NOTE - You will want to use a 5 qt pail for the 1st coat mixing. This is to allow for 19.2 oz of thinning agent to be added to a full gallon of paint (15%).

Disclaimer....
The following section is made without benefit of any libation or brewski. Comments made should be taken with the application of a minute amount of sodium chloride....

Joel...
I'm not sure how much speed I'll pick up. With gas prices as they are, or may go up to... I'm thinking of using a new type of bottom paint: ... HeliumH2 ... It's intent/use is to lighten the boat which will help it move through the water with minimal effort. Liar


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