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RiverRatt
#1 Posted : Sunday, May 04, 2008 3:40:46 AM(UTC)
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My 32’ need to be painted completely. The scope of the project is overwhelming. I have been reading up on the posts. Here is my plan any suggestions very welcome.

1) Move boat remove trailer block up on stands
2) Remove railings and rub rails
3) Mask windows, thru hulls, ventilators, and mark waterline
4) Rent sandblaster Sand blast completely
5) Clean off sand and dust
6) Prime wash (I don’t think I can do all the blast and cleaning the same day)
7) Spray primer below the water line with interprotect 2000 two plus coats
8) Spray primer above water line with etching primer (PPG fleet paint we use on trucks) or interprotect if compatible with PPG polyurethane
9) Paint above water line with PPG Fleet Polyurethane paint (similar to IMRON) or use Interthane polyurethane depending on cost.
10) Paint decks with second coat with antiskid additive
11) Paint below water line with trilux 33

In between priming and painting my window tracks need to be replaced. I don’t want to pull them before sandblasting to minimize the sand getting into the cabin. I will most likely pull them after blasting so I can prime and paint under tracks.

Weather and time permitting I will send photos on progress
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#2 Posted : Sunday, May 04, 2008 5:05:11 AM(UTC)
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Do yourself a favor and hire someoneelse to do the blasting! Trust me on this. THe savings isn't worth it.

Also, I wouldn't use Primercon over the wash primer--and I don't care what Interlux says. The well-proven method is to go right to barrier coat epoxy.

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#3 Posted : Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:27:28 AM(UTC)
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Fastjeff wrote:
Do yourself a favor and hire someone else to do the blasting! Trust me on this. The savings isn't worth it.

Also, I wouldn't use Primecon over the wash primer--and I don't care what Interlux says. The well-proven method is to go right to barrier coat epoxy.

Jeff

Do the taping and protection of stuff yourself though. Mine 28ft painter sandblasted the Capac sensor!!! sheesh.

Also I used Clhor-rid salt remover in the washdown (step 5) after the sand blast (before the primewash). Gets the corrosion causing chlorine and salt out of the metal. http://www.chlor-rid.com/home.php Seemed to make a big difference. You still might use in a fresh water areas with calcium (hard water) salts.


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Check out my recent post in this section of the forum on taking the bottom down to bare metal before barrier/bottom coating it. It's based on a conversation with Interlux. Time between steps is quite important.

(Joe: where does the chlorine you noted come from)

BTW: I was down at the marina yesterday (Sunday) to wash and wax the hull. Instead, would up taping water line because yard mechanic came in on his day off to pull my boat into position. At close of business Friday, the soda blaster called to tell the marina his people would start my job first thing Monday morning. Of course, my boat was behind others. Five boats had to be unblocked, shifted, reblocked before the mechanic could jockey mine into the clear.
The mechanic (actually, the guy who will do the painting) had me lay down the regular 3M blue waterline tape. Over it, he gave me some 4" wide shrink wrap tape to go over the other, less aggressive stuff. That way, the shrink wrap tape which sticks almost like glue, will be easier to remove.
I also put aluminum from pie plates over the Capac, depth sounder and speed paddle.
I will be on hand Monday to watch the process. Should be quite interesting.
PS: yard neighbor pointed out to me that a pair of robins had built a nest on one of the flukes of my anchor that hangs right under the bow pulpit. Yep, there were three newly hatched babies in it and the parents were trying to come by to feed them while the boat was being moved. I hope they came back after we left this evening. Tomorrow, with the soda blasting, I don't think those unfortunate chicks will get fed. What a shame. And if I launch in about 10 days as expected, they will be over water with little chance of survival. Life sometimes is unfair!
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#7 Posted : Monday, May 05, 2008 10:43:45 AM(UTC)
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Joel thank you for you post

I called Interlux today and got the same information with one exception. The soda blasting surface is too smooth, the Interlux support person said to sand with 80 grit sandpaper before Primewash coating.

Has anyone herd of sanding after soda blasting? I am undecided if it is necessary?

Above the water line I got the following information

1) Wash with 202 solvent (I don’t think this step is necessary)
2) Sand blast
3) Air or brush clean
4) Wash again with 202 solvent
5) Viny-Lux Primewash 353/354
6) Epoxy Primekote 404/414
7) Filler if nessary
8) Epoxy Primekote
9) Perfection 2-part Polyurethane 2 coats

Has anyone used Interlux two part Perfection or previous versions on there topsides?

I am checking options for sand blasting or soda blasting. A local commercial blasting company that is going to quote it said that soda blasting will make a huge mess in our lot. (It will dissolve but will take a while) The company said they have a blast booth that the boat will fit in but I have to transport it there and back about 25 miles each way. I will save on the cost of soda because it can be reused at least once.

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#9 Posted : Monday, May 05, 2008 10:45:27 AM(UTC)
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Removes the soluble salts that attach to the metal. It's used by a lot of metal painting companies.
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PS: yard neighbor pointed out to me that a pair of robins had built a nest on one of the flukes of my anchor that hangs right under the bow pulpit. Yep, there were three newly hatched babies in it and the parents were trying to come by to feed them while the boat was being moved. I hope they came back after we left this evening. Tomorrow, with the soda blasting, I don't think those unfortunate chicks will get fed. What a shame. And if I launch in about 10 days as expected, they will be over water with little chance of survival. Life sometimes is unfair!


Update: parents have abandoned nest. poor babies
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RiverRatt wrote:
I am checking options for sand blasting or soda blasting.


See my other post on bottom painting. Blaster used recycled glass after all, not soda. You can see the tiny, shiny bits of glass embedded in the hull. texture looks just right to me -- not too smooth.

Company says it uses about 100 lbs of the glass per hour and they blasted about 6 hrs. Please recycle your bottles so we boaters can enjoy the byproduct.
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#6 Posted : Monday, May 05, 2008 6:02:13 PM(UTC)
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jralbert wrote:
jralbert wrote:
PS: yard neighbor pointed out to me that a pair of robins had built a nest on one of the flukes of my anchor that hangs right under the bow pulpit. Yep, there were three newly hatched babies in it and the parents were trying to come by to feed them while the boat was being moved. I hope they came back after we left this evening. Tomorrow, with the soda blasting, I don't think those unfortunate chicks will get fed. What a shame. And if I launch in about 10 days as expected, they will be over water with little chance of survival. Life sometimes is unfair!


Update: parents have abandoned nest. poor babies


Now you've ruined my night. Thanks.

I've tried the bird sanctuary thing - not much they can do when they are that young.

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#10 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:19:53 AM(UTC)
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When I tested my project 32' on land an old nest with four dead chicks blew right out of the exhaust tube. Another reason for exhaust flappers. At my house a Dove built a nest about eye level in a tree. I saw her sitting in it when I walked to and from my car. One day she was gone, replaced by a big black snake with bird sized a lump in it. Some local kids started to go after the snake so I grabbed it. Too low on the neck. It bit me as I was putting it in a box. I took it way out in the woods and released it. Nature is all about birth and death. We help when we can.
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i wouldnt blast anymore then i could primewash (im assuming thats on the same lines as alodine 1201) an hour.....i remember reading somewhere that you need to coat it within an hour or two of blasting down to bare metal

im using a recycled plastic media on mine....supposed to be the cats meow on aluminum ! (its feels kind of like ground up floor tiles)
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One more busted knuckle and i'll have a complete set !
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sorry to hear about the birds.....usually once moved or disturbed by humans, the nest is abandoned immediatly with or without living young
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One more busted knuckle and i'll have a complete set !
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#13 Posted : Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:21:34 AM(UTC)
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I come up with a paint procedure problem.

Per Interlux you should paint Viny-lux Primewash within at least 24h after sandblasting. Then you must cover with a InterProtect 2000 for under water line or a Topsides primer. If not it says to remove the Viny-lux and start over.

My problem is I am doing this with very little help. I would like to sandblast the whole boat then work on painting a section at a time, for example below the waterline, gunwales, topsides...

Is it possible or anyone has any experience of using an etchant. (FastJefff)??

So I could blast the whole boat and etch a section and paint it when I have time.

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If your plan is to sandblast to bare metal and then paint the whole boat by yourself I would get another plan. You are going to blow out all that soft Marinette filler. Why not power sand the topsides? How bad is the paint on your boat? How about starting just with the bottom like a lot of the members of this forum have done? Then work your way down the decks a step at a time.

I have two Marinettes needing paint. One has the original badly weathered factory paint. It does not need a bottom job. The other has got 3 or 4 coats of old finish and needs the bottom blasted to bare metal. I'm going to sand and use one part paint with an etching primer on the topsides. That's all I can handle. I will use the interlux system only for the one bottom job.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:58:24 AM(UTC)
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RiverRatt wrote:
My problem is I am doing this with very little help. I would like to sandblast the whole boat then work on painting a section at a time, for example below the waterline, gunwales, topsides...

It took me 3 months to strip the paint off the bottom from stem to stern. When I was ready to prime I sanded to shiny and then applied Sherwin Williams' DUAL-ETCH metal cleaner and conditioner followed by Interlux Viny-Lux Primewash, multiple coats of 2000E primer, and 2 coats of Trilux 33.

So, if you must blast the entire vessel, go ahead and do it. When you are ready to coat a section, sand to shiny, DUAL-ETCH, then just follow the steps outlined by Interlux and your paint job will endure the test of time.

Note: The DUAL-ETCH cleaning will be enhanced by scrubbing with a green scotch brite pad.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:13:10 AM(UTC)
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Dennis,
I will have to check out the Dual etch.

Yooper,

The paint is bad; I think it is mostly original. I will assure you I do not like to paint. The bottom has bare metal. The topsides are sun-checked and dull. See pictures...

I have a couple body shop people lined up to spray the topsides though.

I hope there is not too much filler on the topsides. I am not going to replace any of the filler on the gunwales. The weld area do not look bad to me.

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Wow! A picture is worth a thousand words. You may need a sandblaster. Your Paint is sheeting off right down to the bare metal. My 32' has a bad topcoat but the brown primer is hanging on. I think they rushed the topcoat on mine a little. I have got all these pinholes in the topcoat as well as spider web cracks. I read somewhere that the pinholes are formed by not letting the primer fully cure. I scored one of those Uni-Ram sand blasters on Ebay. It has a vacum in it. It picks up and separates the media and dust. I haven't tried it yet. Going to use it on the bottom of my 28'. Saving my paper route money and green stamps for a big enough compressor. Then I can also add some air powered sanders to my arsenal.
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#20 Posted : Friday, May 23, 2008 2:40:30 PM(UTC)
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When it is done I will probability keep it a Waterways Marina. Currently it is at our shop "The Round Barn" near Dillsboro.
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#17 Posted : Saturday, May 24, 2008 7:30:51 AM(UTC)
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RiverRatt wrote:
Dennis, I will have to check out the Dual etch.

Fastjeff told me about the dualetch. Good stuff.
I wonder how Norm missed the BL truck in the backgound of your picture?
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