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John Anderson
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 10, 2008 3:43:44 AM(UTC)
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87 32ft F/B. head died. No power to push switch located in bathroom. tried to follow wires, couldn't find fuse or breaker, but may not be looking in the right place. Thought switch was giving some problems a few weeks ago. how to figure out problem. thanks
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#2 Posted : Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:05:52 AM(UTC)
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John: since our boats are same era, I imagine they are configured similarly. I'm also assuming you are talking about the switch at the sink in the head that turns the macerator pump on/off. Have you checked the lower switch panel behind a door under the helm (near the floor to the right of the helm)? Those are "master" switches for some of the 12 v circuits.
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Twin 318's/FWC/16x15 nibral props
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#3 Posted : Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:14:23 AM(UTC)
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The earlier models have a breaker switch located in the engine compartment at the forward end. A real pain to get to every time it trips.
Peter
1981 32' sedan bridge
twin Chrysler 360 cu. in. 250 hp engines
Raw water cooled
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Home port: New Buffalo, MI
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#4 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2008 11:31:39 PM(UTC)
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I've recently been experiencing an issue with one of those engine compartment breakers myself. You are right. They are a pain to reset. Looks like it's even a bigger pain to get to the backside of the panel to check / change some wiring or replace the breaker. In my case, it's the 12V breaker for the fridge and it seems the previous owner put the fresh water pump on the same breaker. Fianlly noticed last week that when the water system is turned on, the breaker trips. Contortionist time......... d'oh!
1979 28' Sedan Bridge
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#5 Posted : Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:18:30 PM(UTC)
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Looks like my breaker is the issue. Anybody tried the breakers sold by Sima Marine?

http://www.simamarine.co....Switches__Breakers.htm

John B
1979 28' Sedan Bridge
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dougrose
#6 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:57:39 PM(UTC)
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I am curious how one would use an ON-OFF-(ON) switch as an ignition switch, unless it had two poles. Still, if (ON) is to start, then the engine will stop on its way to ON.

The breakers look like Airpax, which are very good. You might check around for better prices.


1975 32' Flybridge Sedan, twin Perkins 6-354 diesels, 1:1.53 velvetdrives, 16 X 19 props. Merritt Island, Florida
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dougrose
#8 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2008 1:32:20 AM(UTC)
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There is some information under Marinette Repairs » Electrical and Corrosion » Airpax Breaker Switches that might be of use.


1975 32' Flybridge Sedan, twin Perkins 6-354 diesels, 1:1.53 velvetdrives, 16 X 19 props. Merritt Island, Florida
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pfhlaw
#9 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2008 2:52:31 AM(UTC)
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The black handle breaker switches are a direct replacement for the originals used on Marinettes. They are not as durable as the metal handled breaker switches. I am replacing my old black ones for the metal ones. I found a set of 10 or 12 airpax breaker switches on e-bay very cheap (under $1.50 each). They were from a de-commissioned airplane. They can't be used again on an airplane unless they are recertified, but for my boat they work great.
Peter
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dougrose
#10 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:33:54 AM(UTC)
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You lucky dog. I guess we'll have to call you Pfhlawdog since we already have a Sorrydog.....


1975 32' Flybridge Sedan, twin Perkins 6-354 diesels, 1:1.53 velvetdrives, 16 X 19 props. Merritt Island, Florida
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John Anderson
#11 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2008 2:42:35 AM(UTC)
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I can not locate the"hard to get to" breakers in the forward aspect of the engine compartment. Also, does the power to the switch for the head come from the masserater or is a more direct connection from a power supply. In other words, could the masserater/flush motor be the problem? thanks again.
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pfhlaw
#12 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2008 8:44:17 AM(UTC)
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John:
Marinette had several different wiring configurations over the decades. If you post your year and model someone with that year should be able to help.
Peter
1981 32' sedan bridge
twin Chrysler 360 cu. in. 250 hp engines
Raw water cooled
Nimbus II
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John Anderson
#13 Posted : Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:48:59 PM(UTC)
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Dead head info. 1987 32 with F/B, twin 318's. Thanks for the help. The head is original. Don't have serial numbers from the flush unit/masserater, but I can get them if needed. Thanks again.
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Ed
#14 Posted : Saturday, July 19, 2008 1:45:18 PM(UTC)
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So I understand that the head doesn't work, you can't figure out what's wrong with it, and you have nothing to go on ????
BUSIA
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John Anderson
#15 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2008 4:27:21 AM(UTC)
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Ed, you are correct, nothing to "go on" (or "in", pun intended) and to make matters worse, I'm not real bright. Any help appreciated. Thanks again
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2008 4:47:18 AM(UTC)
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John,
I sent you an e-mail, don't know if you got it. But check if you have have 12 volts to the motor ( use a meter or a 12 volt light bulb )
If you have power, then check the motor. I may have a spare if you need it.--Ed
BUSIA
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Proud to be IBEW.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2008 4:53:47 AM(UTC)
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dougrose wrote:
I am curious how one would use an ON-OFF-(ON) switch as an ignition switch, unless it had two poles. Still, if (ON) is to start, then the engine will stop on its way to ON.

The breakers look like Airpax, which are very good. You might check around for better prices.



--use a single (or double ) pole double throw switch. ON-OFF-ON and a push button (mom. on) for the starter. Single throw is all you need for ign. if you don't want accessories (run-off )
Ed
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Proud to be IBEW.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:02:53 AM(UTC)
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John:
My head motor (1982 32ft sedan bridge) is controled by a solenoid located under the v-berth, mounted on the wall that forms the bathroom. When you press the button in the head the solenoid under the v-berth closes and supplies the motor with high amps. The switch in the head is fed 12 vollts from the hot side of that same solenoid. That solenoid is protected by a resetable breaker switch marked "Forward Waste" located in my engine compartment.

You probably just tripped the breaker. Now you have to find it. Anyone else have John's model and year?
Peter
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twin Chrysler 360 cu. in. 250 hp engines
Raw water cooled
Nimbus II
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Goldpoint
#18 Posted : Friday, August 01, 2008 11:21:49 PM(UTC)
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Update on those breakers at Sima Marine. Stopped in the other day and found the metal handle breaker switches they carry are Siemens Potter Brumfield, not Airpax.

John B
1979 28' Sedan Bridge
Single 360
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SORRYDOG2
#19 Posted : Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:19:57 AM(UTC)
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Horror story from hell,head problem; years ago a fellow boater came and asked me if I new how to work on Heads, I asked his problem and he said you really gotta see it!! I went down to his boat and watched him press the electric button to flush. heard the motor turn on, whats wrong I thought?? Only after he released the button the motor continued to run then shut off, Also acting like it was getting in a bind, HMMMM Ok switch hanging up. Pulled switch and crossed back side with screw driver, SAME THING!!!!????Disconnected wires and touched together, SAME THING!!!??? How could a motor run with no POWER HOOKED TO IT????? Told him to pull head, he did and came down the dock and said I"m GOING TO KILL MY BROTHER!!!! He's been using my boat with his girlfreind and flushing his used RUBBERS DOWN MY HEAD!!! The motor was unwinding!! Sorrydog
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OK, you win the prize for best story! Don't know what the prize is but you win.--Ed
BUSIA
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